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  1. Brakelite

    Learning about Orthodoxy

    As they have long loved and long followed that which cometh of man and NOT OF GOD . me and an Sda person they are LOST Is this kind of rabid generalisation and condemnation on an entire church community on the basis of the testimony of one pizza worker even allowed on this forum?
  2. Brakelite

    Learning about Orthodoxy

    Your point being.... Not sure why you are so fixated on that word 'fulfil'. One cannot express his love for Jesus by fulfilling anything. By obeying His commandments, yep. That's what He asks is to do. In response to His asking you to obey Him, do you say, " Lord, Lord, I can do all manner of...
  3. Brakelite

    Learning about Orthodoxy

    Yes I can. Not that it ought to be so necessary. First, context. Your issue clearly is with obedience. Specifically, obedience to the ten commandments. You question whether they apply to you or not. The Ten Commandments, called the covenant, were housed in the ark of the covenant, otherwise...
  4. Brakelite

    Friendly Bible Study - participants must agree to Nicene Creed.

    Moving house is a tedious exercise. All blessings to you guys. How you're new place becomes a true home...albeit temporarily.
  5. Brakelite

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    Of course death is everlasting, unless there's a resurrection. Death is also a punishment. It's final. It isn't ongoing. It is not punishing. It is punishment. You say I do not believe in scripture. You say that destruction is not in scripture. I beg to differ. DESTRUCTION KJV Psalms 145:20...
  6. Brakelite

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    I agree. The punishment, which is death, is forever. Therefore no resurrection from the second death. Note well. The scripture does not say never ending punishing, as in continuing action. It is punishment. And death, after a time (few or many stripes) of real suffering, comes in the form of...
  7. Brakelite

    Learning about Orthodoxy

    And yet the early church did anyway. Maybe they knew something you don't. He fulfilled the whole law, which included the other 9. Doesn't mean we are free to have intimate relations with our secretary, or go off on folk who cut us off in traffic. Hebrews 4 certainly speaks of rest in Christ...
  8. Brakelite

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    It isn't surprising that there are some here who don't recognise that the above is written by a Christian, simply because he doesn't claim to be. They don't recognise humility, possibly because they haven't experienced it before... Either in others or themselves. While it is true that we may...
  9. Brakelite

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    If Christ is your Saviour what have you to fear? He is coming to take you home. Not to punish you for sins He himself bore to the grave.
  10. Brakelite

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    The first death is inevitable, the second death isn't. It's our choice to accept redemption or not.
  11. Brakelite

    Learning about Orthodoxy

    I agree with everything EGW advised regarding Sunday. There is no point that we unnecessarily become martyrs because we insist on working on Sunday. Let me make one thing clear. Working at our common labour earning money on Sunday is not a commandment, and we are not contravening the...
  12. Brakelite

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    Yes. But let us not think that such judgements, or executions of judgement, are done arbitrarily or without a large proportion of reluctance and sorrow. As scripture says, the infliction of suffering and death and punishment by God ultimately is a strange act to Him. It is necessary in context...
  13. Brakelite

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    True. Yes He is. God is love. Period. Everything He does, everything He says, is driven and informed by self sacrificing love.
  14. Brakelite

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    I think in hindsight we may view it as such, but I think for those primitive Christians in their early growth and understanding, there would have been a certain compelling fear of judgement that coloured their future behaviour and loyalties. Such fear, today I believe is unjustified knowing and...
  15. Brakelite

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    Absolutely. Most, unless their minds and hearts are changed into the image of Christ, behave in a manner that wrongly reflects what they do believe God to be like. And I speak of churchmen here, those who are quite happy to foresee and imagine an eternal suffering, and are willing to help God...
  16. Brakelite

    Learning about Orthodoxy

    Your aren't answering the question. Did Ellen White ever state that people who honoured Sunday and worshipped on that day, were apostates? Incidentally, many SDAs worship on Sunday. They may not go to church, but they do worship. They worship also on Monday and Thursday and Tuesday. There's...
  17. Brakelite

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    The Bible is actually quite straight forward when it comes to the ultimate punishment for sin. "The wages of sin is death". It repeats that same idea many many times, in both old and new testaments, combining it with punishment, eternal, oblivion, destruction. Why are so many opposed to what...
  18. Brakelite

    Learning about Orthodoxy

    Does she,? Interesting. Would that have been for the time she wrote in, or write of in the future?
  19. Brakelite

    Learning about Orthodoxy

    This^^^^^, is why I said quote, Fascinating that you guys are quite happy to bear false witness...