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  1. keithr

    How Could Have Satan Sinned?

    Well, I'll include the start of the introduction here, so others can make their minds up too. It's obvious to me and I'm sure it will be obvious to others who are familiar with the Bible too. One big clue is the mention of "The Most Holy Trinity", which is unscriptual, as are refering to...
  2. keithr

    How Could Have Satan Sinned?

    Just reading the beginning of the introduction was enough to tell me that that writing is not in harmony with the Bible. We should not believe someone's claim to have receieved a communication from Jesus in 1944 as a true message from Jesus if it is not in total harmony with the Bible, God's...
  3. keithr

    I have a confession to make

    A resuscitation is not the same thing as a resurrection. Nobody has come back to life after they have been cremated!
  4. keithr

    I have a confession to make

    Well quoted. :) However, I think this quote is less relevant, because it is referring to God bringing the Israelites back to Israel in the latter days, and so it applies only to Jews in Israel. A bit of context [WEB]: 17) “Therefore say, ‘Thus says the Lord Yahweh: “I will gather you from...
  5. keithr

    How Could Have Satan Sinned?

    Satan did lie, he said: "The serpent said to the woman, “You won’t really die," (Gen 3:4 WEB). His motive for getting Eve to disobey God was because he wanted to rule over mankind, so he started by trying to turn Adam and Eve against God. Satan has ever since been fighting against God's plans...
  6. keithr

    Hell . . . The Good News.

    Eh? In your profile you claim to be a Christian, so aren't you a "so called Christian" too? So says the person who in this thread has told the lie that people are reincarnated many times, and other unscriptual lies and nonsense such as "When Adam and Ishah partook of the Forbidden Fruit...
  7. keithr

    I have a confession to make

    There are a lot of things that can be hard to believe, because we don't have the knowledge to understand how it could be done. But we should believe God, and God's word to us which is the Bible, and trust that He is not lying to us or making things up! Faith is belief in God's word, even if we...
  8. keithr

    How Could Have Satan Sinned?

    The Greek word that's translated as saints is hagios and means holy or 'holy one'. It's referring to all Christians; all Christians are referred to as saints. The New World Translation translates Romans 1:6,7 as "among which [nations] you also are those called to belong to Jesus Christ - (7)...
  9. keithr

    How Could Have Satan Sinned?

    No!
  10. keithr

    How Could Have Satan Sinned?

    There have been more than 144,000 baptised Christians during the last 1990 years. You seem to be implying that only 144,000 of the millions (or billions) of Christians "will also be part of his resurrection" (Rom 6:5), and the majority will be resurrected as humans, but Romans 6:3-5 says that...
  11. keithr

    How Could Have Satan Sinned?

    Whoops, it looks like I got that wrong!:( It doesn't say that the elders (church) sang the song (because it says "they sing ... before the ... elders"), it's the 144,000 only that sings the song, while the elders (church) played the music.
  12. keithr

    How Could Have Satan Sinned?

    All Christians make a covenant of sacrifice (Psalms 50:5 - “Gather my saints together to me, those who have made a covenant with me by sacrifice”; Romans 12:1 - "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God...
  13. keithr

    How Could Have Satan Sinned?

    But you're again ignoring what the Bible says (Rev 7:4-8 WEB): 4) I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the children of Israel: 5) of the tribe of Judah were sealed twelve thousand, of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, of...
  14. keithr

    Hell . . . The Good News.

    Those verses are not refering to hell. They're part of Jesus' explanation of the parable of the wheat and tares. He says that "As therefore the tares are gathered up and burned with fire; so shall it be in the end of the world" (verse 40). That's followed by the verses you quoted, which...
  15. keithr

    Hell . . . The Good News.

    In the KJV the Hebrew word abaddon is always translated as 'destruction', rather than being left untranslated as it is in the ESV. It makes more sense when translated that way. Barnes Notes for Rev 9:11 says: The name Abaddon means literally destruction, and is the same as Apollyon. "But in...
  16. keithr

    How Could Have Satan Sinned?

    However, that's not what it says in Revelation! The church is already resurrected and in heaven, wearing crowns and sitting on thrones around God's throne. Then later an angel says, “Don’t harm the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, until we have sealed the bondservants of our God on their...
  17. keithr

    How Could Have Satan Sinned?

    The Bible does tell us more: ... that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; (Heb 2:14) The devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, (Rev 20:10) Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second...
  18. keithr

    How Could Have Satan Sinned?

    I think that interpretation of who the 144,000 are is incorrect. Note that they are not said to be in heaven, they are on the earth. They are on the earth when they are sealed (Rev 7:1-4), and also they're on the earth when Jesus is with them on Mount Zion (Rev 14:1). To understand who they...
  19. keithr

    Hell . . . The Good News.

    Note that Jesus said, "...leads to destruction", i.e. it leads to death, not to eternal torture. "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord". (Romans 6:23). So we end up with either eternal death or eternal life. Paul makes no mention...
  20. keithr

    Hell . . . The Good News.

    Where does it say that in the Bible? Rev 9:11 is the only verse in the Bible where Apollyon is mentioned. No, the fire is symbolic, as is most of the Book of Revelation (Rev 1:1 [Darby] says, "Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him, to shew to his bondmen what must shortly take...