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EXPOSURE OF THE ALLEGORIZING THEOLOGIANS Clement (c. A.D. 194) and Origen (c. A.D. 230) of the metaphysical school of Alexandria, in the days immediately preceding Lucian, welded into an alluring and baffling system the method of allegorizing the Bible. They taught the supremacy of the...

In the church struggle over Paul of Samosam, Lucian held aloof from both parties. When it appeared as if neither side would win, appeal was made to the pagan emperor Aurelian. The party led by the bishops of Rome and Alexandria could well bow its head with shame that the aid of a heathen emperor...

So as not to divert from the main topic of your thread, "what did Jesus save us from", I chose to answer your query with a new thread. Which is bound to engender some discussion and thought of readers are willing to read. I begin with some lengthy posts, all quoting from a chapter on this...

I would like to add. The death that Jesus received as a result of taking our sins upon Himself, was not the death of sleep from which all are raised, but the second death of eternal damnation for sinners, from which there is no resurrection. It is that death which are the ears were earn as...

I disagree with your Latin roots for scripture. Our KJV received text goes back to Antioch.

You and I are sinners also. Where is the justice in letting us be forgiven and go free? Was that justice not dealt with at the cross? Did Jesus not take out sins upon Himself and die in our place? How is it them that your church believes a man can die without repentance and his death accounts...

The Sabbath was made for man, not Jews. Established before sin, therefore a memorial of creation first, and of redemption second. Never was it a shadow of something in the future. Your asked for a scripture pertaining to practise? “He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk...

I don't accept any of the above either. But you left two things out that the majority of Christendom has adopted and that are based on tradition as opposed to scripture. And both of them your church accepts. Sunday sacredness and an earthly paradise at the second coming. You aren't that...

https://brakelite.wordpress.com/2014/02/09/from-blindness-to-freedom-to-hope/

When I said...So man pays for his own sins through his own death, and is then resurrected to eternal life, according to the above.... It was in response to understanding to what Aunty Jane was saying just previous. I do not believe man, any man, pays for his own sins through death if He accepts...

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@PS95 is right @Aunty Jane and @TheHC . You have both stated that man pays for his sins when he dies. You said this even in respect of Judas, that by his own death he is redeemed. And from comments from HC, it seems the only thing you give Jesus's credit for is His resurrection. You both seem to...

Of course He didn't. But except for Adam and Eve, everyone born received through heredity the sinful nature of Adam. That however does not mean that the person has sinned...yet... But he will, because the carnal sinful nature we are born with make us weak, and it is in our nature to rebel...

You, a leader in Israel and you don't know these things?

You need to separate sin itself from the sin nature we are born with. Why do you think Jesus said we must be born again? Why is that necessary?

I'm confused by your doctrine. Who pays the penalty for our sin? Ourselves, or Jesus?

Interesting you are so confident in judging and condemning someone who lived 6000 years ago.

“6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, 7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity...

Aaah. So only those who deserve mercy receive it? How do we earn mercy aunty?

That surprises you @TheHC ?? Think about theistic evolution and tie it the character you believe belongs to the God you serve.