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Define many times? I found ONE answer to my question 'who rules over you wrangler', and here is your answer: No one on Earth rules over me. Sooooo let's try this again: :joyful: Scripture says obey those (church elders, overseers) that rule over you. Who rules over you Wrangler? :watching...

And your point is?

Wrangler, The main theme of all your bullet points seem to suggest that you have a theory that Peter was no more important than any other Apostle therefore he could not have been the leader of The Church. Here is why you are wrong: Jesus singled out Peter when He gave him the Keys to the...

Thanks Wrangler, You seem to think that I am saying that Peter is THE rock of The Church. I am not saying that and have made that clear already. Jesus is THE rock and chief cornerstone of The Church. No other foundation for The Church can be laid by any person. That means there is only One...

Hey Phoneman, I gave you links to back up what I said/believe so I asked you for any website links to back up your statement, "Jesus called Peter "petros" which doesn't mean "rock" - it means something like "rolling pebble" pushed to and fro," You said Greek scholars disagree with me. Your...

@Wrangler doesn't like those verses so he scratched them out of his bible. I have asked him who rules over him; he hasn't, to the best of my memory, answered that yet. :(

It's so funny that you can't address all the FACTS I posted.....:Zek:

Scripture doesn't say, I have never said in our conversations and The Church has never said that one has to believe "Peter is the head of the church as a condition to be saved". ANOTHER false accusation....Tisk Tisk. But that is par for the course with you. :woohoo!: No, it is not "clear that...

Oh goodness Wrangler.....you put the FUN in funny. There is no controversy or gotcha moment here. Like I said, Peter is not THE rock of The Church. Jesus is THE rock of The Church. Pay attention to emphasis in what I wrote. However Peter is, as Jesus said, the rock he will build His church...

Then you are not adhering to Scripture. :(

Hey Wrangler.....I never said, and The Church has never taught that Peter was THE rock of The Church You really should read ALL of Scripture instead of cherry picking passages that your men have taught you to support their belief. It is true that Jesus is the Church’s cornerstone, not its...

Thanks RedFan, Today, just like 2,000 years ago, there IS The Church that Christ started that IS the pillar and foundation of Truth! That Church IS where we are to go when we have a disagreement, and that Church is a fulfilment of Matthew 18:17 when it comes to the final decision on who is...

Thanks Phoneman, I provided links to 3 separate websites that support my statement. Would you provide evidence to back up your statement? Thank you in advance.....Mary

Authority that is not warranted according to who? YOU? Can you really not see your circular reasoning? Also, I never said, and The Church has never taught that Peter is our Saviour. That's just something you made up. Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive,.... Who rules over you...

How sad that you don't know Scripture: Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you.

Never said that.

Dear, dear wrangler, John 3:16 has NOTHING to do with what we are talking about. How bizarre to even bring that up. But you think you have a cute quip that supports your theory that Peter isn't the rock even thought Jesus says he is. I will keep repeating His words; you are Peter, and on...

Appeal to WHO's authority? YOURS? Yes, older DOES mean correct. 2 thess. 2:15 Proper eisegesis according to WHO? YOU?? Surely you realize how your argument has no merit? Are you going to at least TRY and debunk anything I said in post #718? Or are you just going to keep saying it's wrong...

The eisegesis that Peter is the rock that Jesus built His Church on is ancient eisegesis. You and your ilk's eisegesis is around 500 years old. Yet your theory is that the 500-year-old eisegesis (Donald) trumps the 2,000-year-old eisegesis? :IDK: The name Cephas is an anglicized form of the...

Proverbs 18:6 ;)