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I do like most of your thinking! (Sadly, some of us seem to realish in being a bit overly Legalistic. LOL)

So, technical proficiency dictates one's closeness to God? The Pharisees must have been really attuned to God. Humm…. I seem to recall something being written about simply having the faith of a little child...…. I think we pretty well know where each other is coming from on this subject.

I agree. I find it kind of humorous that every "translation" that does that translating literally, has to have numerous things "explained" to any modern English reader, or else they make no sense, at all. (Such as having to hate your whole family to be a disciple, and the "eye of a needle"...

I think one of the themes of the Bible is that God wants nothing to do with worship that He has to beat out of people.

Do you feel a person with their guitar cannot know the same closeness?

Absolutely. What do you think gave rise to the saying, "Out of the mouths of Babes...."?

We have to change so much of the Bible to make things come out like we, not the early church that we claim gave us all sorts of good guidance, have decided they are going to be. Even right there in your post we change their idea of "all the world" they were living in, into really meaning, not...

Breakfast..... gotta go.

Oh yeah, like David's famous dancing? Michael thought he was showcasing , and was struck barren for that assumption.

But none of the endless, ongoing "music" argument has a thing to do with the original point of the OP.

We can all continue with all the smoke and mirrors we want, but it comes down to what we each individually consider what we want in worship.

And the C & V for that "background" thought is … where?

Then I am certain that you must agree that has to pertain to ANY instrument..... wailing electric guitar, included?

Yet, I wonder what an abomination the very early Christians must have felt the introduction of such a garish thing as a squealing calliope organ into their worship services was...….. since, prior to that first one being installed, they had never heard such a noise in their churches. Many things...

My point was never to try to tackle the rationalization of the rapture dream. I know that is too ingrained to resist. My intent was to point out that the early church obviously felt ALL the world would one day worship God, instead of 80% - 90% of Earth's population going to war with Him.

I was trying to point out that most of the old songs are patterned after the Psalms. Yet, though we sing songs from that book, we don't seem to expect the future to be that way, at all. None of the Psalms speak of Satan growing more and more powerful all the time until the pitifully few...

The door wouldn't hit me in the butt on the way out. EDIT to comply with your request: (Scriptural basis: "Flee evil.")

No, since I left the CoC 35 years ago, I have never been a "member" of any denominational church I attended. I guess I would be a Christian Reconstructionist, if anything, but I can't accept the Calvinism of that group.

I'm not too sure the direct point I was trying to make ever got through to anyone......

Do you guys believe the "Dominionistic" theme most of the Psalms we have put to music seem to declare?