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Lol what is it with the "stuffy" fake English "defense"? Aren't you embarrassed to lean on such emptiness? "I used a stuffy form of English, can't you see you're wrong and in trouble, and I'm correct?" LOL What, did you wear a top hat and a monocle when you typed it? Would that add to the...

Pray tell : Hast thou observed those without answers doth resort to all manner of poppycockery (donning fake English they don't use in public), empty accusation, etc, instead of simply and honestly addressing Scriptural challenges to their traditions?

Yeah, that's why I raise the Scriptures I raise--it seems they're never considered by the other side lol

You guys say : Christ has done it, it can never be undone, trust Christ! I say : Christ has done it, it can be undone, trust Christ!

Yep, by grace through faith--and if the grace is taken away, the forgiveness is not there.

Either I believe what the text says or I do not. If that means I have to wrestle with the texts, then I wrestle with the texts, so that I learn how it's all true, and, even though I acknowledge the text says salvation can be lost, I learn to trust Christ instead of fearing, so be it--but I...

Yeah, that's the righteousness of faith--and when God forgets righteousness of faith, when the measure of faith is taken back, the person isn't a believer anymore, so their sins are not covered.

No, I see another dynamic, not often considered, at work : just as we've all learned that God forgets sin, God is also able to forget righteousness (Ez 18:24). The servant was a believer, and his faith was counted as righteousness apart from works, which is defined as being forgiven (Ro 4:6-8)...

Well, it seems like Jesus teaches something different about hell--people go there to pay for their sins, and its duration varies accordingly.

It's unlikely but maybe one day you'll be on topic and you'll be able to prove your point, not just make empty claims, and posts no one reads.

Conclusion : It seems like though we are justified by works, we're only supposed to think of these works as a reasonable response to the thing Christ has already done for us, not as if we are bringing about all the blessings Christ has already brought about. (I put the conclusion first, because...

Another thing that was brought to my attention, I have to believe by God, during a conversation about this, recently, is : in that the servant was forgiven, he must have been a believer, because "the righteousness of faith" is described as being forgiven (Ro 4:6-8). So what, actually, is...

No--and even all those who say they acknowledge Christ don't acknowledge Christ, because some acknowledge "another Christ".

In their minds, it actually says it.

Bc there are verses that seem to say what they believe, so they think they're believing God accurately.

It couldn't be, or else they couldn't know God, but they do know God. It's a justifiable misunderstanding--and, interestingly, it hits upon aspects of truth that obtain grace.

I don't worry for their souls, I just want to adhere to truth, and discuss the truth.

The fact that they're saved, and have grace to live for God, to me, is an example of God's kindness and flexibility. If God gave concessions under the Old Covenant, why wouldn't He also be flexible under the New? Paul became all things to all men so that some might be saved. It may be a...

I mean, it's good news, it's just, like, slightly skewed, but I wouldn't call it "damnable"--obviously, they're saved, and they have grace, and aim to please God, and have confidence in God, they just don't have every detail correct. My gripe with them is I don't appreciate them not having...

Right, I'd assume his answer would be the same we've heard a million times from Calvinists : Jesus died for the sins of His people, and if you believe, you will be saved by God, which would prove that you were foreknown and predestined by God to be saved, and God will never lose you, but keep...