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Close--he is wrong in wanting to say that the "sinful nature" is the inner person, because he doesn't realize that Paul's argument is the reason the Jewish believer is free from the Law is because they PHYSICALLY DIE ("you died to the Law through the body of Christ", "I've been crucified with...

Please understand that the "body of sin", "the outward man", as I understand it, and your desire to emphasize sin's power and presence over "my inner man" are not at all at odds : the claim I'm making about the body of sin is that the inward man is enslaved by the irretrievably defiled body of...

Again, my view is supported not merely by individual words here and there, but by entire passages (eg, entirety of Ro 7), and Biblical typology. You may not enjoy my explanation, but, bc it's literally just Scripture, there is no better one--and I would challenge you to work toward debunking...

1. The Passion Translation is more of a paraphrase, like "The Message", so its wording is more poetic, artistic license. 2. Ro 6:6 says "the body of sin", and Ro 7 says we died, so we know "the body of sin", "my outward man", is the physical body which the Law indicates is impossible to purge...

Paul says in Ro 6:6 "the body of sin" and in Ro 7 "this body of death" (sin leads to death so these are synonymous). The body is the body of sin. The Law says if a clay vessel is defiled it cannot be cleansed and must be destroyed instead. We were irrevocably defiled by Adam's sin (speculating...

Paul says sin caused him to sin it wasn't him in in Ro 7; 1 Co 15 he says the same is true after salvation. About Ro 7:1-6 : he says believing Jews are set free because they died, meaning they are both the wife and the husband in Paul's picture there.

In other words, just as we don't do good in Christ, so, also, sinners don't sin when they're in sin. No, he wasn't right, because his understanding of the text renders Paul incoherent.

1. I try very hard to follow closely with Scripture--to a degree even my Jesuit step father says "it can't be that tight" when I explain Ro 7:1-6 2. He We are born spiritually alive, but with the body of sin, and we die when the body of sin kills us after we come to the age of accountability...

I blocked that user bc I found they weren't interested in following reason--there's no amount of reason you could use with them to persuade them of the truth, bc they're wedded to their own thoughts.

They say you can deny Christ, worship other things, do human sacrifices, and still be saved.

I want to talk with a FGT about FGT. You are not FGT. I am not interacting with your views here (Universalism, etc).

OK Thanks for clarifying, because I wanted to interact with FGTs about their views.

So, IF grace through faith COULD go away, then salvation COULD be lost, but, in reality, grace through faith CAN NEVER go away, therefore salvation CAN NEVER / WILL NEVER be lost?

Are you a FGT? I wanted to talk directly with a FGT about FGT. Just wanted to know if I found what I was looking for.

So, if it is by "grace through faith" that we are saved, if the "grace through faith" went away, salvation would also go away, correct?

That's kind of what I was thinking lol

Hopefully it sounds like Romans 7 lol Unsaved men do not merely "tend" toward sin, sin works its own works, even contrary to their intentions and best efforts, in them. That's what I believe Romans 7 teaches.

The body must be destroyed--we must die with Christ--because it is defiled, and cannot be purged, like the Law says about earthen vessels. When the body of sin works works in the young child and defiled its conscience.

I encourage you to publish a thread focusing on which ever verse captures your attention.

Yup, same Jesus likens our relationship with Him to branches and the Vine that put them forth--the life is in the Vine, not the branch, so the branch must abide in the Vine to receive the substance in the Vine, and if the branch does not abide, it does not retain the life ("and the eternal life...