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If they are being taken as "vows", they are traditions of men that are unbiblical.

Men engaging in sexual relationships with men is condemned when, in Romans 1, Paul gets at the root of the matter : to be inflamed with these unnatural desires is caused by idolatry, for which reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions (they dishonor God, so God pays them in kind by giving...

When Paul says the Law was made for the lawless and disobedient, for ungodly and sinners, etc, and then mentions "arsenokoites", we should look at what the Law says, and when we do that, we see that it condemns men laying with men, and, since the Law gives no context justifying men sleeping with...

Supposedly, Dr. N.T. Wright has some good ones.

I know Christ said He spoke in parables so as to prevent people from being saved, so there's an admitted precedent for Him doing that. It's kind of troubling that we're left to "fill in the blank" on crucial matters. Christ says God's will is "believe" (John 6), but, also, many leaders did...

They're pointing out the simple reality that OSAS was only known among Gnostic heretics until former Gnostic Augustine Christianized it. Do you recognize that or no?

OSAS was only known among Gnostics, and the Church fought it until a former Gnostic Christianized it.

Yep, He saves us. I never disputed that.

I am more convinced of the arguments presented in the OP.

Well aren't we born with "the body of sin" (Ro 6:6) Christ destroys?

The presentation says it was Gnostic, so came much earlier than the Reformation.

This is the type of unsound argument used by Orthodox and Catholics to justify their "traditions"--you find a hole where you think you can stealth your idea in. No, I'd rather go with what seems clear and what the earliest Church believed.

I'm getting a message : go away, you have nothing of substance to add to the conversation, just running to mods when the truth hurts your feelings.

Think of it : on one hand, Christians don't sin, and, on the other hand, Romans 7, where a guy gets whipped by sin, is about how Christians live. The guy is not thinking about what he's saying before he's saying it.

He actually argued this : 1. Those who are born of God do not sin. 2. Romans 7 accurately depicts a Christian's life. The guy is wholly incapable of conversing about the Bible in a coherent way.

"The Spirit told me" isn't enough for me. I study Scripture to arrive at atomistically precise answers.

You keeping acting like this hasn't been addressed : "the life is in His Son" (1 Jn 5:11), and those who "remain in Him" (1 Jn 2:28) remain in the place where the life is located. There is no inference that God can lose life. Are you really that dense, or are you really that blinded by your...

OSAS was only known among Gnostics in the first 500 years of Christianity--the early church fought it as a heresy before Augustine, a former Gnostic, brought it into the Church.

Bingo!

I'm happy to "answer" for merely stating "God is true"--merely stating what Scripture says.