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On the public profile identification of a member, below the avatar, I think it would be helpful for a poster to identify whether he/she is a Christian or not. This would be part of his/her profile page as well. I note that some other forums have this feature. Just a thought. Oz

So am I. :cool:

KCKID, As a fellow Aussie, you know that the laws of our land - against murder, stealing, false testimony (the Westminster system of govt.) - are based on the Christianity that the first fleet brought to Australia through Chaplain Richard Johnson in 1788. You may not like it, but our foundation...

Wormwood, I'll try to get back to the rest of your post when I have the time. I'm pursuing preparing Bible study material for a group and discipling a new Christian while I grow older. Oz

skypair, It's time for you to provide quotes with references for these kinds of statements by you: 'like Calvinists say'; 'as Calvinists do'; 'Calvinists chose to believe in fate'. Pulling these phrases out of the air does not confidence to me that you know what you are talking about. Oz

JIF, How do you know they are FAKE tongues? How do you know it is BABBLING when the Holy Spirit does not call it such in 1 Cor 12-14? The Holy Spirit's gift of tongues is a genuine gift that Paul exhorts us: 'do not forbid speaking in tongues' 1 Cor 14:39). Nowhere does he speak of speaking...

Mac, Do you have some quotations from them to demonstrate your points? If they were not theological liberals nor fundamentalists, what did they call their theological positions? Some of the harshest criticisms against them seem to come from those who judge them for their work as textual...

Your statement is found nowhere in Scripture. It's your own invention imposed on the text.

JIF, You are confusing 3 issues: (1) On the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:4), the evidence of the baptism in the Holy Spirit was speaking in tongues, which consisted of people's native languages (Acts 2:8). (2) The gifts of the Holy Spirit in the church gathering where the gift of tongues must be...

There is nothing contradictory in what I wrote. Let's examine: 1 Cor 14:2 (NIV): 'For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit'. This verse does not say that anyone who speaks in a tongue when an...

Thank you for your challenging reply. You and I both know that we don't interpret a doctrine based on one proof text. The 'whoever' of John 14:12 needs to be within the boundaries set down by the larger Christian teaching of 1 Cor 12:28-30 (NIV): 28 And God has placed in the church first of all...

Kiwimac, Greetings from across the ditch in Ozland. Why don't you provide us with some theological understanding of Westcott and Hort? Were they theological liberals to be avoided or is their work in textual criticism relating to Greek MSS of a high and balanced standard? Oz

JIF, That's a set up question! :( The Scriptures are clear: 'For if I pray in tongues, my spirit is praying, but I don't understand what I am saying' (1 Cor 14:14 NLT). When I pray in tongues, my spirit is in communication with God the Spirit. I am speaking with Him (1 Cor 14:2). It is a...

kepha, You are being pedantic. I was referring to the RCC Tradition. I agree that without oral tradition we would not have anything in writing that became the Bible. However, oral tradition does not equal Roman Catholic tradition. I don't have a false doctrine of tradition. My doctrine comes...

JIF The Gospel of Jesus Christ requires the follow-up of growing in the Lord that is called edification. What does 1 Cor 14:4-5 (NIV) state? Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church. I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but...

Why don't you provide us with links to verified cases of healings around the world, including raising from the dead?

Sword, Please accept my apologies. In #68, I thought you called tongues babble, but now that I re-read the post I see that you were referring to others who referred to tongues a 'so called babble'. Thank you for correcting me. You are a true Christian in the Lord. Blessings, Oz

JIF, That's not what I find in 1 Cor 14. We know that 'For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit' (1 Cor 14:2 NIV). So, the person who has been given the supernatural gift of tongues by the...

Sword, There is not one word in the NT that calls speaking in tongues 'babble'. That is your eisegesis of the text - your imposing your pejorative understanding on the Bible. The Greek text of 1 Cor 14:2a states: ὁ γὰρ λαλῶν γλώσσῃ οὐκ ἀνθρώποις λαλεῖ ἀλλὰ θεῷ = the for speaking in tongues not...

Wormwood, This is Jesus speaking: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father' (John 14:12 ESV). That is clear that Christian believers will be able to do the works that Jesus...