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tom55, No sinful, fallible, imperfect human beings, whether at the Council of Trent or Council of Nicea, can produce an infallible document or 'infallibly reiterate' anything. Oz

BA, I don't find this pragmatic perspective helpful in taking a stand against abortion because we could just as easily say, 'How does that woman know if she just aborted the person who would be the instigator of another September 11 or someone like Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin or Pol Pot?'...

Josho, These are excellent verses to confirm that the one in the womb was a human being: David, Jeremiah and Isaiah. However, I don't think Isa 64:8 (ESV) affirms that. Let's look more closely at Psalm 139 (ESV), Even though it is using poetic and figurative language, it states 4 importan...

Josho, However, you need to demonstrate to us that a foetus is a human life from conception, using biology and biblical data. Can you do that so that we have evidence on which to base our claims? Oz

LW, You provide not one shred of biological or biblical evidence to support your claim. Now demonstrate your theory to us with biological science and biblical exposition. The condom-masturbation suggestion falls flat before the evidence I have asked you to provide. Oz

LW, Jesus disagrees. He said, "You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment" (Matt 5:21 ESV). I'm supporting Jesus' view and not going with any other compromise. Oz

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kerwin, Now you give me another logical fallacy - a red herring. For logical conversations to happen, it means giving up the illogic of fallacies and their erroneous reasoning. Bye, Oz :popcorn:

kerwin, Not your kind of reason, which commits a begging the question logical fallacy. How do I know? Your personal statement of faith associated with your avatar states, 'I believe that the Human being Jesus Christ is the promised Anointed of God and therefore his chief Son of the Spirit'...

I'm pleased! I was a bit concerned when you used pragmatic language, 'Works for me'. :popcorn:

kerwin, John 10:30 in the Greek text says, ἐγὼ καὶ ὁ πατὴρ ἕν ἐσμεν = ego kai ho pater en esmen. The ESV translates as 'I and the Father are one'. What is the Greek exegesis? One of the greatest Greek grammarians of the 20th century, Dr A T Robertson, provided this exegesis of John 10:30...

BA, Pragmatism should not be our guide. The Trinity is supported scripturally. The persons and deity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit The NT revelation of the trinity includes the following: God, the Father, is regarded as God. ‘For on him God the Father has set his seal’ (Jn 6:27 ESV); ‘God...

n2, Sadly, this is another of your creative inventions. You do not demonstrate your ideology from Scripture. You assert what you want and it comes out like this - irrationally. Oz

kerwin, Since this is in the Unorthodox Doctrine Forum, this give you the opportunity to promote your heterodox view that Jesus is not God. I've provided evidence to counter that view but you are not open to receive it. I've presented other biblical evidence in support of the deity of Christ...

kerwin, I provided biblical evidence to demonstrate that Jesus is God and you don't believe that. Your claim is that 'indoctrination in an absurdity that you must suspend disbelief in order to except (sic) as the truth in the first place is stronger'. Could this be the pot calling the kettle...

ezekiel, That's your allegorical invention of what you want the content to be. Where in the text does it state what you have concluded here? Oz

BA, This is one diagram that was used as a 'mud map' of the Trinity in the early church. It is limited in its content but it does give a basic understanding that the Son is God but the Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit. But the Father and the Holy Spirit are each a part of the Godhead...

kerwin, Your title, 'Jesus is a human being but not the one true God', is your assertion. You have not demonstrated that from Scriptures. Surely you would go to the best source to determine if your statement is true? Why is it the best source? It is claimed to be breathed out by God (2 Tim...

n2, If you read the entire Bible, instead of only 2 verses from a book that is written for those 'under the sun' (Eccl. 1:9 ESV), you'll see the soul sleep issue. See my article, Soul Sleep: A Refutation. The teacher in the Book of Ecclesiastes uses the phrase 'under the sun' over 20 times. It...

Stan, Since you don't know the original languages (which you have told us), how are you going to know how to do exegesis without the use of reference books (e.g. commentaries) and multiple English versions? In fact, for people who don't know the original languages - which is your situation - to...