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  1. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ (Romans 8:1)

    Not relevant. I have a "precommittment" to accepting what ever the Bible states. This isn't about you citing authorities, this is about your baseless, ridiculous, belief that you're only being proven wrong by everyone else because there's a conspiracy to suppress the correct...
  2. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ (Romans 8:1)

    Because of how they are poor and obvious attempts to suppress the reality of what is being discussed. "Each man is to be fully convinced in his own mind"--if the person goes and does something he is not convinced is correct, that is doing something without faith (ie, with uncertainty, with...
  3. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ (Romans 8:1)

    Irrelevant: as stated, and as you know, there're multitudes of books by OSASers, so quit being ridiculous. The issue is merely they have spoken without understanding the ramifications of the obvious interpretation--but the reason you are objecting is because I have understood the ramifications...
  4. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ (Romans 8:1)

    I'm glad, for your sake, that you recognize I was doing well, but it's sad to see that you are in such a state as to have to suppress the truth that I am still doing stellar. Not appealing to authority, just discussing the Greek--unless you are complaining that I have to go to an authority on...
  5. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ (Romans 8:1)

    No, Paul doesn't argue for a "non-contingent salvation"--Romans 8:1 never touches upon whether "in Christ" is "contingent" upon anything, and immediately speaks in a way that undermines that assumption (vv12,13). Well, yes, Romans 14:23, but, also, many other verses--Romans 8:12,13 for example...
  6. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ (Romans 8:1)

    @CadyandZoe How could you allow yourself to be incurious about all the Scriptural "extra parts" left laying around after building your theology? Why does the concept of "remaining in Christ" (Jn 15; 1 Jn 3:23,24), always by keeping His Word and commands, even exist in Scripture if being "in...
  7. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ (Romans 8:1)

    No, "dissent" hasn't been weeded out, they have multitudes of books from authors who agree with you on OSAS/POTS, but those same OSAS/POTS teachers haven't understood the implications of interpreting Romans 14:23 correctly (as they have).
  8. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ (Romans 8:1)

    I'm proving my case, actually, from the passages I've raised. You "don't see" it. That is perfectly fine by me. Your arguments against what is obviously occurring in Ro 14, and, in particular, v23, are ridiculous.
  9. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ (Romans 8:1)

    1. He had described the plight of the Jew under Law (mastered by Sin Ro 6:14), and he says Christ rescues us from that slavery, and being rescued from slavery to Sin, we THEREFORE are not condemned, because we can fulfill the Law, and not be condemned for breaking the Law, but he goes on to warn...
  10. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ (Romans 8:1)

    So, it is more likely, to your mind, that basically everyone else disagrees with you because they do not love God than it is that you're simply wrong? "Odd".
  11. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ (Romans 8:1)

    This is not an answer to the argument.
  12. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ (Romans 8:1)

    As stated, this entire point is irrelevant. Beside the fact that you're assuming inaccurate convictions are always religious beliefs (as if it only refers to Jewish Christians), but a Gentile believer could easily have held to vegetarianism, a religion-based argument can be religiously debunked...
  13. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ (Romans 8:1)

    1. I wasn't asking why you made long posts--everyone should. 2. I didn't follow any pastor or commentary to my conclusion--AFTER I reached my conclusion, during this discussion, I checked what others said about it, and they agreed with me. 3. You're not "verbose", you're just completely...
  14. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ (Romans 8:1)

    But you don't find it odd that it's everyone else who's wrong, not you?
  15. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ (Romans 8:1)

    No, you're confusing the matter (and it's understandable why--you have to try to save your argument): Paul never said "their arguments are weak", he said "the brother is weak in his faith", and he explicitly talks about someone who has a "weak conscience". But if the issue was about "make sure...
  16. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ (Romans 8:1)

    @Behold Regarding your non-answer to the OP, I think the benefit of believing in the error that "the only condemnation you experience as a Christian is your own self-condemnation--it's not real, it's not God condemning you, so just ignore it and trust that God doesn't condemn you" is (though...
  17. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ (Romans 8:1)

    @Behold It is commendable that people trust in what Christ accomplished for us, and it is good to teach people to trust God about those things, affirming things that are true of us in Christ, appropriating what Christ accomplished on the Cross, and it is a potential error to, having begun by the...
  18. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ (Romans 8:1)

    1. Here's your argument: "I'm right, and when ever you disagree, it proves you're carnal, and I'm sure you'll disagree with me again, proving that I'm right and you're carnal." If I make that same argument, will it be as valid as when you make it? Let me try: "I'm right, and when ever you...
  19. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ (Romans 8:1)

    1. You claimed people who were children of God weren't the "doulos" of Luke 12, but Paul said he was a "doulos", so was he not a child of God, or were you wrong? By your own rule, you're "carnal": you're saying "nah you didn't prove it" when I did, and you haven't even begun to respond. 2...
  20. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ (Romans 8:1)

    @CadyandZoe Not that finding respected people who agree with us conclusively proves anything (I stand on my own, and my arguments don't need help), but I'm curious: are there any NT scholars, any commentaries, any teachers, etc, (Monergist or Synergist), that actually disagree with my view and...