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But God, faith and holiness are the same. Why does Heb. 11 still use Old Testament examples of what faith is? So then faith hasn't changed. The Israelites of old couldn't enter into the land because of unbelief. And modern believers don't enter into the higher walk in Zion for the very same...

Yes. The righteous are safe as long as they remain on the road of uprightness, humility, honesty and truth. When people deviate into vain assumptions and presumptions...they fall into the ditch of iniquity...that makes them filthy before God...mixing the flesh in with holiness. The fear of the...

Just received a comment about the Hebrew words representing both iniquity "avon" and humility "anavah"..and how these have the same letters reversed (after the "ayin" which means "to see".) These are polar opposites. Iniquity kills humility and humility kills iniquity) Even in transliteration...

Sounds romantic...kind of...:oops:

He just doesn't like it when his ideas are exposed...and don't "sound" so good.

The nerve of some people. Religion makes people do crazy things. :rolleyes:

Really> Are you saying you need to go to God for the full measure of grace?

I watch what people say and do. I have always exhorted people to go to God...and you have always resisted me...claiming you didn't have to. I know what's in your head. :rolleyes: I have enough discernment to see what is going on. I play a musical instrument. I can help those who are learning...

Technically, monkeys aren't barnyard animals. And crows...not really either. Although, I'm hearing more crowing here... :backtop:

Those who claim that they are not held to the very same standard as the Jews...actually a higher standard...but the same in scale. Paul says that many believers in Jesus will be cut off...just like the Jews in the wilderness. We are to fear. But I see no fear among those who justify themselves...

Your mentors see that as works salvation. More works salvation...according to your mentors. How you have fallen from greasy grace. :hmhehm

You are confusing me with Peter...have you read Peter? Try 2 Pet. 1 He says to add to one's faith. But you are misunderstood what I say. I say we go to God (you HATE that idea of going to God) for the FULL MEASURE of grace. Try to quote me correctly. The crows here don't believe its possible...

Describing the ridiculous with metaphors can only be seen as ridicule if you have a part in the ridiculous. Otherwise it is seen as light-hearted if accurate commentary. How crazy!

LOL You crashed this thread already. Thanks! :rolleyes: And the crows have taken over the thread. The monkeys are jumping from branch to branch. I'm not a zoo keeper...and crows feed on carrion. If you have issues with the video or the general idea of what it means to get a sample of grace...

Thanks...another crow! ;) And this from someone who took the turnoff that said..."those who think Jesus was only human, turn here." Apak, I thought you had better discernment...but Christ-denial obviously keeps one in the dark about much.

You are getting worse here sister...accusing a sister of not having the Spirit when she obviously has much more discernment than most here. If you understood what humility was (as in...not claiming something that you know nothing of) you would realize that having Christ in you...without relying...

At least not knowingly! ;)

Go ahead and follow other believers. You love to be mollycoddled...I don't. I follow Christ. If you didn't compromise with the flesh so much...you might even be able to hear the truth in what I say. But the flesh is against the Spirit. So you will not understand what I'm saying.

You put yourself in the place of God thinking the initiative lies with you. No humility or fear of the Lord here....only judgment to come.

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