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I think your view could be summed up in phrases such as "the power of positive thinking"....or else "presuming is the same as being" Does that kind of dogma help in our daily walk? Maybe in some cases where there is a natural tendency to be pessimistic. But as a doctrine it is...

I appreciate your equanimity in your response. In the end it's not the finer details of our doctrines that count but how much love and patience we are able to communicate to one another. I am simply trying to bring clarity where there is so much confusion in regards to the ways of God. It isn't...

So here you say one thing....no one improves into holiness. Exactly what I said. Then you say I am the one who is confused by agreeing with me as if I'm the one that's wrong. And then you say quite the opposite here... Why? Because you are trying to make a dogmatic statement out of something...

You are confusing a Christ-likeness in character with holiness. No one improves themselves into holiness. Holiness is God's alone. He is holy. But maturity belongs to all who by faithful obedience to His training surrender themselves to God.

Awww....spiritual understanding requires more than just chapter and verse. Indoctrination, on the other hand, requires that there be religious sounding formulas. When one tries to show the very same thing using different wordings...then it sounds like a vain philosophy. Why? Because their...

Agreed. The confusion comes in with justifying sin and forcing Jesus to continue to forgive us by our religious will.

The higher faith comes after regeneration...the faith OF Christ. But this only becomes activated as we are crucified in the outer man and enter INTO Christ with the inner man. This leads to holiness. This is also true...with human faith. This leads to righteousness. There are two levels to...

God gave Himself over to be judged by men...who saw Him as evil. God cannot see His Son as evil or sinful. But He can offer Himself for the sins of evil men.

For sure God allowed His Son to be a sin offering. Jesus gave Himself over willingly to be slaughtered like a lamb. But God did not make Jesus sin for us. We did that. God is above and beyond our motivations. So there is a difference between being a sin offering and being seen as being sinful...

I went back to explain further. The Greek doesn't have a "He" and a "Him".....just one word is written not two. So the Greek says "He was made sin for us" Check out a concordance or a transliteration of the text. The text doesn't say WHO made Him to be sin. So then those who have bad doctrine...

Since you are the one justifying yourself...you are reading the bible wrongly by making Christ's sacrifice...to be YOUR one time sacrifice for sin. In that scheme you justify yourself IN your sins present and future. This is exactly the opposite of a sound doctrine and practice. Is Christ a...

This is jumping way ahead in the process of salvation. We retain our responsibility for our own sins after conversion. Gnosticism...which you are espousing...claims that the body means nothing, and sins no longer count. It's the received KNOWLEDGE of salvation that counts. In that scheme you...

There is a heavy judgment against the idle ones of Zion. We are born again into a race....a desert walk towards possessing the Land. We are to seek first the kingdom of God. Only Jesus can say...It is finished. We are in a process of salvation. We are to work out our own salvation with fear and...

This is the religious mumbo-jumbo I was alluding to. "Even if it looks like we really aren't?" Talk about a departure from reality. Sin is sin. Calling sin something else than sin is not following the path of righteousness...but rather a way to formalize a religious escapism that denies the...

It's not about mind-games or make-believe but about the power of God to raise the dead to life. There's no need for religious mumbo-jumbo. It's not about words but the Spirit and power. Rom. 7 shows Paul saying he can't stop sinning. Is that your experience? Or was he not trusting his own words...

Of course Romans 6 isn't the same as Romans 8. Reckoning yourself to be dead to sin is good....we shouldn't think of ourselves as alive to sin. ...but it doesn't stop us from sinning entirely. For that to happen we need to go to the cross to have the outer man (ego) dealt with by the cross...

Only Jesus is sinlessly perfect. We take on HIS attributes by entering into Him. I have explained this like getting into an airplane. It is the airplane that overcomes gravity...not the individual. Likewise, it is by being IN Christ that we are made holy, righteous and pure...free from all spot...

This sounds more like a confession than an accusation. If we are cleansed of all sin by abiding in the resurrection life of Christ.....then...wait for it....there is such a thing as a walk without sin. :) But you will refute that very thing. You will contradict yourself as so many do here...who...

Bless your heart. I like your way of seeing things! :) For Jesus it was indeed a coming down. For us it is an ascending into His presence and love. However, we have an uncrucified nature at the beginning. The divine challenge of being born from above is to humble ourselves...as Jesus did. But...

Amen! And God bless you for your honesty. I went through the same things as you describe along my own path. I never got it right the first time. I always managed to take a wrong turn. But the Lord is good and faithful. He led Me into His dwelling place. I am still at a place of working things...