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Well, in truth H Richard is wrong in saying that he's the only one putting his faith in the works of Jesus on the cross. I've been doing it for years on this forum! I haven't participated much in the debates cause i haven't seen anything new that would change my stance. I also believe that...

Romans 4:7 KJV Saying , Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. I was referencing this verse. To me it says that while according to the law we do sin, its not imputed to us (but righteousness is) and either the penalty or the act itself is not appkied to us...

That is a tragic story, and I agree that it shouldn't have happened. I am a strong believer in the truth that God can deliver people from addictions (to sinful habits), but it a truth that we all are, have been and will be sinners. Yet by grace through faith God will not impute sin and our...

1 John 2:2 KJV And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Perhaps everyone one day will learn to love others the way you love others. You know.... That Olde School Catholic Love!

No, didn't. I could show you that, but if you are so upset that i pointed out the word "made" was in that verse, you won't like the truth on the verse you are referring to. Don't bother. I'm not going to debate someone with your disposition.

Even with all that, it STILL says they were MADE to be taken and destroyed. It does not say they counted themselves unworthy (that is in the Bible in other places), it says they were "made". God never said it was never his intention that any should perish. I know the verse you are referring...

Even with all that, it STILL says they were MADE to be taken and destroyed. It does not say they counted themselves unworthy (that is in the Bible in other places), it says they were "made". God never said it was never his intention that any should perish. I know the verse you are referring...

I will be happy to go trough the entire chapter with you if you like. Did you see the phrase, "made to be taken and destroyed"? What does that mean? Does that mean that if they don't do well they will be destroyed or does ir mean that they are made to be taken and destroyed? Absolutely its...

Tom55, You have passion going for you... Ill give you that. But other than that not much else. I'm done discussing the issue with you. You may commence parting insults.

Was it from my response to Wormwood that you came to these conclusions, or hace you read more of my posts in this thread? Reason is because i didn't mention anything like that in my last post. Nontheless, i understand the thought process. If i do say that some are oredestined to be conformed...

Wormwood, Thank you for the explanation. What I find interesting is that you speak of God's intervention and sometimes removal of free will, yet you still say we have free will. I'm sure you can see the problem with that. If He intervenes, interferes (and I think he does so more than people...

Hey Tom, here's another great verse for you to think about: "For the carnal mind is emnity against God. For it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh but in the spirit..." So your logic is of the...

Logically explain to me a talking jackass. Or a virgin giving birth. Or a voice coming out of a burning bush that isn't consumed. God's ways are as far from man's ways as the east is to the west. But that's not even a point I need to take. I have explained predestination to you as it is...

"Have not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?" - Romans 9:21. (Just in case you don't know, this verse is all about God choosing whom he will choose. And the vessels of honour are for washing faces and hands. The vessels...

Jonah could've kept running? Where to? Down the whale's small intestine? Balaam wasn't setting out to give false prophecy. He was off to curse God's people. But even so.... He would've had to do it without his head attached to his body. Paul could've become a blind beggar? Ok. Yes. I...

Wormwood, So do you believe this is the order of things: 1. God made us before the foundation of the world. 2. God looked at our future, in which he as absolutely no impact on, to see what we would do. 3. God then predetermines our reward or punishment based on what he foresaw? Do I have...

Look Tom, the Bible says what it says. When you or any other man try to apply human logic to things in the Bible (including predestination) i am STILL going to believe the Bible. Now there is no need to get sarcastic and insulting. But if YOU want to say i know how to properly and...

Absolutely true Angelina!

The article wasn't bad and i agree with the overall points. I think he left out a group which would be "pastor want-to-bes". This would be people who talk to others in private and criticize the pastor in hopes of starting their own church. I agree with him on the "financial controller" point...