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    The Great Apostasy in the Church.

    My point, for whatever view, is how did the unsaved become "un-marked", so that they could live on in their corruptible flesh, in the Premil view of the kingdom of Christ on earth, for an additional 1000 years??
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    The Great Apostasy in the Church.

    By just a simple scrolling of this page #4, back to post #61, I see tons of commentary from you and "Timtofly", but very little by way of backing it up with scripture references. For that, neither of you can accuse me of doing. It appears to me, that neglect on your part, is a sure sign of...
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    The Great Apostasy in the Church.

    It's OK by me if you want to deny scripture. Rev. 14 [9] And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, [10] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out...
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    The Great Apostasy in the Church.

    Just for starters, six statements from the KJV make void all of the "dreaming" about a false hope of a future 1000 year reign of Christ on earth, to be unsound teaching through "the wisdom of men". 1 Cor. 2:5. 1. Luke 17:29- same day. 2. John 3:18- the two judgments of God. 3. Rom. 8:9- he is...
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    The Great Apostasy in the Church.

    You really don't understand that the Grace of God, and His longsuffering has an end, as it was delivered to the people in Noah's day, the people of Sodom, and then the people of Israel itself, in 70 AD. KJV Luke 17:28-30, "even THUS" shall it be when the Son shall be revealed from heaven, which...
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    The Great Apostasy in the Church.

    You are not understanding. It is the "MoB" that shall separate the goats from the sheep. Once it has been implemented and completed, without hesitation and suddenly, God the Father will send His Son to redeem His people. KJV 2 Thes. 1:7-10. During that time, all who "are of the world" will have...
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    The Great Apostasy in the Church.

    Upon Jesus Glorious return from heaven, in Immortality, Rom. 8:8-9 is the bare facts of mortal life, between the saved and the unsaved. At that time of His return, "The Door" of God's salvation, will have been "shut" and ended, which is understood that NO MORE shall enter into the KoG by the...
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    The Great Apostasy in the Church.

    I do not follow the traditional concept of Amil., but rather a hybrid view of it, as it is taught by the Holy Spirit, and not that of denominational "church-ianity". Below, please see my edit from my post #65: EDIT: Rom. 8:8-9 is also the scenario of that situation. [8] So then they that are in...
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    The Great Apostasy in the Church.

    My point exactly! All the unsaved will take the MoB, and therefore by that act, they will have proven themselves to be the "goats" ("none of his"), who are separated from the "sheep". It is impossible for them to be gathered unto the Immortal Christ, upon His Glorious return, and then for them...
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    The Great Apostasy in the Church.

    The book of Revelation is a collection of individual visions, given to Jesus through the thoughts of God the Father Himself, of which is NOT defined entirely for the future. Much of what John saw and heard took place in heaven. However, that which John saw and heard concerning the earth, is what...
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    The Great Apostasy in the Church.

    The GWTJ is a metaphor of how all accepted or neglected God's two judgements, that are shown in John 3:18, and whether they did or did not "appear before the judgment seat of Christ", while in their mortal life. As I have said before, I don't use Revelation to interpret the NT scriptures, I use...
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    The Great Apostasy in the Church.

    Premil has not grasped or understood the anguish of Jesus' twofold torment within Himself, when He prayed in the garden of Gethemane. For the very first time, within His eternity of being with His Father, He knew that He was going to be forsaken/abandoned by the Father. You KNOW the words that...
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    The Great Apostasy in the Church.

    You are not understanding that after God the Father had forsaken (left/abandoned) Jesus' mortal body on the cross, upon His resurrection, the Father rejoined Jesus in his newness of Eternal Life, having Immortality. Therefore, being Himself "the firstborn from the dead", Jesus was the first...
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    The Great Apostasy in the Church.

    Though I strongly disagree, I am well aware of how and why Premil takes the view about the Lord and the Saints reigning on earth for an additional 1000 years. However, you keep describing that "our God who is a consuming fire", shall return in flashes of lightning only, and therefore His act of...
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    The Great Apostasy in the Church.

    Thanks for making that point about the Arrow after a person's name. I am sure that I have accidently used it, but I didn't make the connection that it referred me back to the person's post number for context.:) (I have deleted my suggestion about post numbers being added with partial quotes).
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    The Great Apostasy in the Church.

    EB's reply: I only quoted what you said of when the unsaved suffer God's vengeance. You show it to be that some suffer his vengeance upon Jesus' return, and then the rest are strung out over a thousand years. Jesus' coming in [Eternal] flaming fire is the origin of all the world becoming a LAKE...
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    The Great Apostasy in the Church.

    You don't understand Luke 17:28-30; 2 Thes. 1:7-10 and 2 Peter 3:3-7, 10, 12. The eternal flaming fire of Jesus' presence, is going to ignite the whole earth into a lake of fiery, molten lava, on a global scale.
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    The Battle of Armageddon

    Call it what you like, the fact is the unsaved dead shall remain dead for all eternity. They are not remembered by God, because "He never knew them". Mat. 7:22-23; Rom. 8:9.
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    The Battle of Armageddon

    Of course!! God the Father is a Spirit, and always will be a Spirit. That is why He manifested Himself through Jesus, His only begotten Son. Therefore, to see/perceive Jesus, is to see/perceive the Father. He is the express image of the Person of God the Father. Heb. 1:3 The ONLY way that God...
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    The Battle of Armageddon

    Probably a wrong choice of words for your understanding, however I did clarify in post 103. Edit: 102