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    144000 saints of Israel, an army of the forthcoming kingdom of God

    Textus Receptus Greek: Rom. 8:29. for he who forefathers and predestined to be conformed to the image of his son in that he is the firstborn among many brothers To be "forefathered" is to be born again of God's Holy Spirit FIRST. By that process, being fulfilled and completed by God, is when...
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    The Great Apostasy in the Church.

    The "rapture theory" is not a delusion, it's simply misplaced by the "pre-tribbers". That view is a form of escapism, whereby one believes that they will not suffer the wrath of Satan's persecution, of which is NOT to be confused with the wrath of God, in His appearing through Jesus' visible...
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    The Great Apostasy in the Church.

    Briefly explained, apostasy is: 2 Tim. 3:1-7. [4] Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; [5] Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
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    WW3: What Should/Will It Look Like?

    Well first of all, if your biblical doctrine is guided by the teaching of the HS correctly, and not by following the wisdom of men through church-ianity, you will fully understand KJV Luke 17 :28-30 and 2 Thes. 1:7-10.
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    WW3: What Should/Will It Look Like?

    There are many that spout the idiom that the US by good intentions, was founded on "Judeo-christian" principals and values, and of course biblically speaking, that appears to be true. However when we look at what it actually is shown to be in Rev. 13:11-17, it really is nothing more than...
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    Is God sending people straight to hell when they die, today?

    You might be surprised with some that hold to fabricated theories, concerning their understanding of what they call the "Nephilim". Gen. 6:1-4. https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/hebrew-bible/who-are-the-nephilim/ Personally, I do not care to get into that.
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    Is God sending people straight to hell when they die, today?

    So, I am safe to conclude that you are saying that the fallen angels are "devil spirits"?
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    Is God sending people straight to hell when they die, today?

    I wrote of my understanding in post #486. By the way, when you say "devil spirits", are you meaning the fallen angels themselves, or people?
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    Is God sending people straight to hell when they die, today?

    Jesus' sacrifice of himself, being the Lamb of God, was for all people, beginning with Adam. As all are under the judgment of eternal death that fell on Adam, so also is the Grace of God through faith in Jesus' shed blood, for the gift of eternal life KJV John 3:18 reveals the TWO judgments of...
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    Is God sending people straight to hell when they die, today?

    If, as you say, that the spirits are evil spirits (fallen angels), why would Jesus, by His Holy Spirit, preach to the evil spirits, who never have forgiveness from God the Father, and therefore cannot repent towards God? To God, it would be vanity. Edit: All who are physically born, are held...
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    Is God sending people straight to hell when they die, today?

    To not be taught by "church-ianity" about man being "given an eternal soul", is a blessing. It's a mountain that one doesn't have to conquer in their mind. With such a persuasive doctrine, of "having an eternal soul", it has also been very pervasive. Even many of the unchurched/unsaved believe...
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    Is God sending people straight to hell when they die, today?

    As I have said, down through the centuries, most of church-ianity is corrupted by the false doctrines, that have been formed by "the wisdom of men". One such false doctrine is that "every man has been given an eternal soul", of which permeates and corrupts virtually every topic of the bible. In...
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    Is God sending people straight to hell when they die, today?

    Of course, I don't believe in Lenski's theory at all. Mat. 27:53 clearly states that the OC. saints* (edit: "many", not all) came out of their graves AFTER Jesus' resurrection. Therefore, though verse 50-51 speaks mainly about the day of Jesus' death, verses 52-53 is on the topic about the day...
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    Is God sending people straight to hell when they die, today?

    What you are revealing is numerous options to choose from, instead of accepting the words of Mat. 27:52-54 by faith, that it is indeed true. What I mean is, to have a word or two added or removed is one thing, but to add in a fabricated story, being a lie about many dead people rising from out...
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    Is God sending people straight to hell when they die, today?

    So, is it that you don't want to agree with how fast a person can be resurrected into immortality, having New Life, or is it because we all have only understood that the first resurrection shall only take place in the future only? 1 Cor. 15 [52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the...
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    Is God sending people straight to hell when they die, today?

    You are lost in that thinking, because your mind has been inundated and overwhelmed by a false understanding of what we have ALL BEEN led to believe of WHAT the first resurrection is, and not that of WHO. Please see my edit in post 478. So now the question is: if Jesus isn't the first person...
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    Is God sending people straight to hell when they die, today?

    What if it is not what you say, but rather was the actual event of many saints who had lived under the OC, and were literally resurrected into the likeness of Jesus' resurrection and Immortality? Doesn't Rev. 6:9-11 reveal that those under the altar were not "Christians" after the day of...
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    Is God sending people straight to hell when they die, today?

    Peterlag wrote: "....it does not fit with anything that we know of about God.",.... Earburner's reply: ....according to the numerous false doctrines by the scholars, through the wisdom of men. We are warned by the Holy Spirit through Paul: that our faith should not stand in the wisdom of men...
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    Is God sending people straight to hell when they die, today?

    Ref. Mat. 27:51-53. And of course, that would be the case for us today. Down through centuries, we have numerous false doctrines, that have been fabricated by "scholars" (church-ianity), that we are trying to filter it through. 1 Cor. 2:5.