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(Ref. my post #190) No! All I am doing is showing that we are to stay focused on the words in context, and to just follow through with it. The verbs of action explain the results. You disagree with the plain English, by saying that no one is killed/destroyed by Jesus upon His Glorious return...

Textus Receptus Greek: 2 Thes. 1:8. ἐν πυρὶ φλογός διδόντος ἐκδίκησιν τοῖς μὴ εἰδόσιν θεὸν καὶ τοῖς μὴ ὑπακούουσιν τῷ εὐαγγελίῳ τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν ἰησοῦ χριστοῦ Eng. Translation: in a fiery flame giving vengeance to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus...

Yes! So, let's squarely place who the origin is of Eternal fire, in perspective with the NT scriptures. It is Jesus Himself IN the AIR, the atmosphere. Luke 17:28-32; Thes. 2:7-8; 2 Peter 3:7, 12

It most surely is!! The differences of understanding, concerning that which "is AS a 1000 years", are miles apart. Amil- the 1000 years is an undisclosed figurative amount of time, applied to God's Age of Grace and His longsuffering, as being NOW, ever since Jesus' death, resurrection and...

Do not be decieved! The "lake of fire" will be on a global scale, involving every inch of the whole earth. It will be ignited by the Presence of Eternal fire, being that of God the Father Himself, who dwells within Jesus, albeit God, who is a consuming fire. KJV 2 Thes. 1:7-10; 2 Peter 3:10...

Your Premil doctrine is turning you into a "scoffer", causing you to laugh at the truth of God's teachings by His Holy Spirit, thereby trading it off for "the wisdom of men". 1 Cor.2:5. Could it be that you have forgotten the following scripture, or is it that you are being decieved by your...

You are only picking for a vain argument that is contrary to all of what is said in Luke 17:26-32. Jesus used both Noah and Lot to show the severity that the unsaved will suffer in the SAME DAY that the saints are redeemed. Don't you know that you are opposing yourself?

You are lacking the understanding that born again Christians are now blessed with the Gift of God's Holy Spirit, WHICH IS HIS ETERNAL LIFE within us NOW!! Though our flesh goes to the grave, we ourselves never die!! However, we are only half way there, because we are still waiting for Jesus'...

> That's a very wrong question, for attempting to achieve a wrong conclusion. > Go look at the verses and the outcome in Rev. 20. Two groups of people were cast into the lake of fire: 1. The UNSAVED dead in their graves, upon Jesus return from Heaven in flaming fire. 2. The UNSAVED who were...

Unscriptural? FALSE!! How many times must it be quoted for you to HEAR it? KJV Luke 17:28-32 [29] But the  SAME day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. [30] Even thus shall it be in the day WHEN the Son of man is revealed [from heaven]...

There are NO second chances in the Amil view. What I said in post #170 is True!! Now, ever since Jesus' resurrection/glorification, He literally can't resurrect anyone who has mortally died without His Holy Spirit within them!! They remain to be "condemned already", by participating in the...

Yes, I follow the Amil understanding, but I am not railroaded, or stuck in that traditional view, as is the case for those who are holding to the Premil view, of which presents a stumbling stone of offense, in regards to God's longsuffering during His present Age of Grace through faith in Jesus...

2 Cor. 4 [6] For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. [7] But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us...

Where do I disagree? I was only following after the pattern of your thinking in regards to darkness. Showing that the only Light in the NHNE is going to be God the Father and God the Son. KJV 2 Peter 3:10-13 is 2 Thes. 1:7-10, as described by Jesus in Luke 17:28-32, all taking place...

So then OK, a grass roots voting station for voting on only one item, using "paper ballots". Example: 60% for closing the border immediately, 40% to keep it open. Send the results to the Supreme Court, with the expectation of immediate results. We shouldn't be surprised that confusion and chaos...

Then we should compare your quotes above to 2 Peter 3:10-13, for the whole picture of which describes the darkness just before the Lord is revealed/manifested from heaven. [10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise...

I strongly disagree. KJV Rev. 14:1-5 is the Mount Zion of Heavenly Jerusalem, not earthly Jerusalem, aka the "daughter of Zion". We are looking at the symbolic 144,000 of OC. Israel, those who were waiting in faith of "the Promise to come". (Key words to compare in the gospels: "no guile".) Who...

Do you know why there will appear to be no light from the sun or moon? The next time you are out in the sun, hold a candle or lighter flame upto the sun, allowing the ball of the sun to be it's background. Glance at it quickly, and you will notice that you will not see the flame of the candle or...

Is it any worse than what is NOW going on in front of us, behind the scenes? Your comparison of a political horse race, does nothing to stop the wild stampede at our border. Don't you see that the present temporary term of government IS NOT defending OUR Constitution?? That begs the question...

Do not be duped by the religious wisdom of men. 1 Cor. 2:5. In KJV 2 Thes. 1:7-10, LOOK FOR the word "when" in my previous post #154. It is found in verses 7 and 10. Then, under each of the two words of "when", take particular notice of action that is being taken. Vs. 7 is destruction. Vs. 10 is...