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In the Biblical context, and according to the narrative, we know what "an abomination" is--all the men of the city wanted to rape the ones they thought were men. This was their normative lifestyle--committing the "abomination" of men lying with men.

Nope, Ezekiel 16 50They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them, when I saw it. As Paul says, Romans 1 22Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and...

What was the word previously?

Right, being that they were in the Lamb's Book of Life before the world was, I am drawing a line between that and Jesus's statement "for you have been with me from the beginning". John's Gospel is self-referential, so permitting John to interpret John leads to this conclusion. Which "beginning"...

Yeah, that's what I'm saying--I look at this discussion as one that is occurring between Christian siblings, among saints, but they do not. I'm starting to think maybe God really isn't with JWs, because this weird rabidness is a pattern I'm seeing with them. They just desperately want to win an...

My issue is when people basically deny this--when they baselessly assert that trinitarians cannot have eternal life.

Why, for Peter, was it perfectly acceptable to use "the Spirit of Christ" interchangeably with "the Spirit of God" if, for Peter, Jesus is not God? 1 Peter 1 10Concerning this salvation, the prophets who foretold the grace to come to you searched and investigated carefully, 11trying to...

Thought this might be edifying.

Lol you "discern" I'm a bit of a "fence sitter"? How about I've literally been saying that for pages and pages? What do you mean "discern" ? Lol You don't have God's love, you are hateful--not true of all who express your view, but it's true of yourself and of EliG. You guys do not have God's...

No, I'm saying I accept the verses that say Jesus has a God, but, taken together with the fact that Christ is husband to God's people (when God is husband to His people--plus, the verse says "Your Maker is your husband...", and John says "Without [Christ], nothing was made that was made"), the...

In other words, how do I reconcile these passages saying Jesus has a God with the fact that Jesus is occupying a role only God can occupy ?

Well, it actually is not so simple for me. God said He was husband to His people, yet, in the New Covenant, Jesus is the husband to God's people. That's a huge problem for me in arriving at a solid "Jesus is not God".

Wow, I guess you'll never get it. I'm not arguing against your "Jesus isn't God" view, only disagreeing with the notion that eternal life hinges on this issue.

No, again and again, I'm not taking a side, I'm only saying I don't see eternal life being decided by the issue. People on both sides can know God.

OK we differ on what those texts mean, and I don't have them overturning Jer 31:34.

To reiterate: I don't believe eternal life is decided by this issue, it's decided by God being merciful (Jer 31:34).

Lol you keep quoting verses that you think prove your argument as if I was unaware of them or wanted to dispute them--on the contrary, it's verses like those that make me have doubts about the idea that Christ is God.

I'm not taking a side, actually. I already said I don't know what to make of the data.

Irrespectively, it sounds like we're going to disagree that it is an issue on which "eternal life" hinges.

We're not talking about Muslims, here, we're talking about brothers and sisters in Christ.