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Yes, I know... sorry, just pet peeve of mine how mean spirited it can get. Its a snowball effect.

Hey, extend that kindness to others. They may not agree with you, but if they name the name of Christ, they shouldn't be called "so-called Christians". Doctrine is up for debate, but not their faith. Even if they are weak Christians in faith, knowledge or otherwise.

You made an oopsy! :D

Does that include "so called Christians"? Am I a so called Christian, Barrd?

Amen! Eph 5 is a tremendous chapter! I understand that particular verse to be speaking to the children of God. However, saying it is to the gentiles is not out of line, given Paul's discourse in the first and second chapter.

I will give at least two examples. Eph 2:15 doed not say the law of moses. It says the law of commandments contained in ordinances (dogma or decrees). Barrd, you made up the part about being the law of moses! Srcond. James 2:8 doesn't say the royal law is the 10 commandments. You made that...

Barrd, I'm sorry. But that is about the worst hatchet job I've ever seen. I'm not even going to try to correct it. It'd be like trying to clean up after a hurricane with a sponge.

Like I said, textbook case study. Faith is not of works. Its not shoen by works either. I know what Jesus's commandments are. You don't. You clearly think they are the 10 commandments. They aren't.

Well, there you go. Textbook case studies of one who believes in grace through faith and another who believes in following the law of death for salvation.

My position is that I'm tired of shoveling snow! Oh! You mean about this thread. 1. Law of God is the same as the law of Moses. 2. Ten commandments included. 3. When Jesus said,"keep my commandments" it specific to what James called the Royal Law. Not the law of Moses, in which the...

"I hope that you have told this to Stan yourself in a PM or online directly, before writing like this about him. It is our biblical responsibility to deal with the person who has sinned against us first, before going to others. See Matt 18:15-18 (NIV), " Yep.... told him three times to quit...

I read a post a post to yet another person he said that to.

This is why I've blocked Stan's posts from my account. He once told me I didn't have a good reputation on this board, which amuses me that he would say that. Here's the problem: Stan has some good points and he has one here. The problem is he says such rediculous things that detract from the...

There is no difference. I used to think there was, but there isn't. We're going about this all wrong. We can only follow the law of God (which is the same as the kaw of Moses) with the spiritual mind. Not the carnal mind or by the flesh.

H.Richard: Got a related question for you. When do you believe (based on the scripture, of course) that the covenant of grace through faith came into effect and the covenant of the law ended?

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Grace don't help anyone keep the law. Wasn't designed to. Teaching might.... you may have missed it, but I stated I'm not even trying to keep the law. I have a new covenant. I go by that. Yes, I have heard that faith without works is dead.. it was stated by someone who wanted to mix the...

Please, Barrd... Don't go thinking I've changed my mind, learned something new or am catching on to this works related salvation. I simply disagreed with what H.Richard said in that one post. I noticed you said that Grace helps us keep the law.... no. Thats not what grace does. It's not a...

There is no reason to not love the law. Its perfect, and it tells us alot about God's nature. Jesus's commentary on the law, by the way, exposed it as being much more difficult to keep than previously thought. So I do love the law even though I can't live up to it except through grace by...

I'm a christian, not one under the law...