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Because those He foreknew He predestined, those He predestined He called, those He called He justified (through faith)--the faith doesn't occur apart from predestination.

I don't know why only Monergist types have found this question easily answerable, whereas Synergist types have come out with guns blazing, and typically arrogantly trying to attack a view I never espoused.

You all aren't my teachers--not every person who shares information is automatically a "teacher". I'm not really interested in ancillary thoughts, which is why I only asked about "predestined" and how it affects your lives.

If the foreknowledge precedes and precipitates the faith unto justification, isn't it causation of faith, not only addressing a destiny for believers (conformity to Christ's image)?

I don't know why only the Monergist types have found this question easily answerable, whereas the Synergist types have come in with guns blazing trying to "debunk" me (when I'd put no definition forth). "Methinks they doth protest much." Thanks.

"Come to Me... you will find rest..."--Colossians 2 says Sabbath was a shadow, Christ is the substance to which it pointed?

Sorry, the word is in Scripture. So you agree its in Scripture. Not sure how this clarifies the concept. He actually says He does know--and this is one of the proofs He is God. Are you unacquainted with those prominent passages? Not sure how this clarifies or defines the concept. I didn't...

The discussion is about what people think "predestined" means.

Just asking what people think "predestined" means, and do not need or want unrelated info or conversation.

Thank you for clarifying. I had misunderstood you when you said As stated (and I do not want to keep repeating myself): I am not certain I know the meaning of predestination, or its implications, but I have, in the past, rejected the conventional understanding of it, because Paul warns those...

I'm asking you all for your opinions on it. I haven't given it much thought, apart from rejecting the conventional understanding of it, since, for instance, Paul warns the very same people who were saved that they can be cut off for unbelief... so, then, how could it mean "If you believed unto...

In this case, your answer would be "I reject Paul's teachings, so 'predestination' doesn't affect my life."

1. Nowhere on the thread have I defined "predestined"; I've only solicited opinions. 2. OK

It's in the Bible. I'm not saying you ought to INTERPRET "predestined" as others do, only asking you what you make of the word as used in Scripture. If it's in Scripture, what do you mean you don't believe in it? What other Biblical doctrines do you reject?

He was unknowingly not in complete truth, but was living truth as best as he knew in the meantime, and was yet acceptable to God in his apparent imperfection God knew about.

I'm asking you all for your opinions on it

Look Predestined up in Romans 8 https://biblehub.com/romans/8-30.htm

I'm not even defining "predestination", I'm just saying the word is in Scripture, and asking what you make of it and how it affects your life.

"To the Jew first" had already occurred, and the command to go to the nations had already been given, but they hadn't understood.

Jesus had already told them to go to the nations, but none of them had understood.