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So, how do you interpret "predestined"? How do you divest it from your having been called and justified?

OK that's surprising. Yet, you would say OSAS.

So, you would NOT say the reason you came faith was because you were predestined to it?

But, in the Bible, "know" has other implications than mere "knowledge"--that's why they interpret it that way.

LOL I don't need to label you, I was just noting Monergist "types" seem to have no problem just straight forwardly answering this question, whereas Synergist "types" tend to be very defensive.

You have been asked to go away. Next step will just be placing you on ignore.

So, are you a Synergist?

Well, some interpret "foreknew" as "foreloved", but, actually, it's the "predestined" part that I'd (reasonsably, I think) consider "precipitative".

OK thank you. Would you please briefly share what your understanding of "predestined" is?

I know you've denied it in the past, but you're basically Monergist (a general term--perhaps not all Monergists are Calvinists, whereas all Calvinists would be Monergists) from what I can tell.

1. Go away. I had let you have the last word. 2. I shared my reason for having begun this thread--ie, my inability to reach coherence on the topic. I'm allowed to share that tangent in my own thread.

I don't remember you even sharing how it (whatever it means) affects your life.

Lol I merely asked for peoples' opinions on predestination, and how it affects their lives--because it (what ever it means--I'm not saying it means anything in particular) is found in Scripture--yet people come in thinking I am holding to a particular view, and attack that view, rather than just...

Go away.

It doesn't mean "you'll observe the Sabbath"--they were already observing that "shadow", so, if that's all the "shadow" referred to, it has no fulfillment, and Christ would not be fulfilling it.

You are free to not engage. I'm not dying to hear your thoughts.

I do not quite know what to make of the teaching of "predestination". If it is the case that people are foreknown, therefore predestined, therefore called, therefore believe, this, taken in a vacuum, would go hand in hand with other Scriptural doctrines (you didn't choose Me, I chose you; I...

Or maybe I didn't find your "answers" particularly informative or helpful?

You mean it doesn't follow that all those who believe unto justification were called because they were predestined because they were foreknown?

My comment was only meant to demonstrate a reason I don't accept the conventional understanding of "predestine"; I'm still looking for peoples' opinions on "predestine".