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Concerning the opening post I also had another question in mind. As all can see there is quite a contention over the Person of Jesus Christ even among believers. Who is He? And there should be much discussion in this area, as no Greater has ever walked this earth. And it is recognition...

What has been proven?...as you and I do not agree. You have said that Jesus without a body or flesh, is the Father. Jesus before He received a body, was God the Son. This why I said the Son is never the Father. Both are God, but distinct persons. Read (John 17:5) "And now, O Father...

Yes, Jesus Christ is the Son of God made flesh. But, He was the Son, before He was made flesh. See (Prov. 30:4). "...what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?" The Son is never the Father. Stranger

(Matt. 16:13) "...Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?" (Matt. 16:15) "...whom say ye that I am? Peter answered, "...Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." (Matt. 16:17), "...Blessed art thou Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which...

Cute. God the Son can die. Why? Because He was given a body. How do you know that God the Son, who would later be Jesus Christ, did not exist before the incarnaton? Well, it was your idea, but I guess I will have to do it. Watch for the thread, 'Who is Jesus Christ'? Stranger

CoreIssue You are not listening. Jesus Christ is the God/Man. He was God and Man. Thus as a Man He was qualified to provide salvation for those of Adam. On the cross, it was the death of God the Son, Jesus Christ. Your statement that Jesus flesh is the Son of God is strange. Where do...

I believe I do understand the distinction. The term 'nation' can address a country but it can also address a group of people, such as the Church, without a physical country. Christ said in (Matt. 21:43), "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a...

Well, if you meant a country why didn't you say so? As I said, (1 Peter 2:9-10) identifies the Church as a nation. Jesus Christ the Man, is the Son who became Man. So, I disagree, as Jesus Christ as the Son has always existed with God, as God the Son. Therefore, since the Son has...

(Matt. 24:21-28) address the latter half of the Tribulation period. (21-22) Warning is given to those living at that time not to trust rumors you hear of Christ is here or there. Because Christ has not yet come. (23-26). When Christ comes you will see it as it will be visible to all. (27)...

Well, pleasure talking with you. Stranger

I believe (1 Peter 2:9-10) identifies the Church as a nation. "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people....Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God:....." I recognize Peter is writing to Hebrew Christians, but his...

gadar perets That the saints rule with a rod of iron with Christ proves nothing. The Church will rule and reign with Christ. I have no problem with that. And either way, whether Christ was caught up into Heaven or ascended into Heaven, He still went to Heaven. In other words, the child in...

Concerning (Rev. 12:5) there is no resurrection there. The woman in (Rev. 12:1) is Israel. You have only to compare it to (Gen. 37:9-10) "And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold,I have dreamed a dream more; and behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven...

I avoid your restart lists that you give once you have been proven wrong and can no longer answer the questions. Go back to post #(98) and read, and answer my question. Show me where the transition is in (Rom. 9-11) that makes Israel the Church. You admitted it spoke to ethnic Israel. Where...

Keraz What is a lie is your attempt to make Israel and the Church the same body. You resort to your long lists in hopes that everyone is awed and thinks how smart you must be. But once the debate begins, you fold like a pocket knife. Once the questions begin you have to restart with...

You are trying to place believers back under the law. (Rev. 12:17) pertains to Israel, not the Church. See (Rev. 12:1-6) (Rev. 14:12) speaks to the saints of the Tribulation which is after the Rapture of the Church. Foolish statement. The Law condemns everyone. That is it's purpose...

You say on one hand that Paul is speaking to the Jews, the physical descendants of Jacob. Then you turn around and say He is not speaking to just Jews. Again, where is the transition statement? There is nothing in (Rom. 9-11) that indicates Israel and the Church are the same. Just because...

Your laundry list is about the Church and Israel being the same. That is what we were talking about . In my post #(89) I said you admitted that (Rom. 11) concerns the Jews. This is proof that I did not contradict the apostle's or the New Testament as you claimed I did. But at the same...

Yes, you are trying to put the Church under the Law. You can say you are not all you want, but when you are trying to obey the Law, you are under the Law. The Law doesn't point out sin so you can confess your sins. The law points out your sin and condemns you. You have broken the Law...

What is ahead for America? Judgement, and anarchy, and civil war, which will end in race war. I have said this before, prepare now as best you can. America is a country that was founded by God to be a perfect reflection of the Church. Of every tribe and people. It was based on the...