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  1. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    That is the point, the Old Testament says there is only one God and and no other and He created everything….that one God is Yahweh. In the New Testament we have Yahweh the Father that is a God and Yeshua the Son that is a God and the Holy Spirit that is a God, three Gods and in the New...
  2. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Genesis 1:1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. For thus says the Lord, who created the heavens (he is God!), who formed the earth and made it (he established it; he did not create it empty, he formed it to be inhabited!): “I am the Lord, and there is no other. Isaiah 45:18...
  3. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Show me this verse in Hebrews....
  4. Grailhunter

    Does this forum lock up the browsers on anyone else's computers.

    I have two laptops and a tower computer and this forum locks up the browsers on all three, all the time.
  5. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    , He either coexisted with the Father or He was created or He was born. The Bible says He was born.....begotten.... conceived.....Miriam impregnated.....In the New Testament Yahweh had a Son, in the Old Testament He did not have a Son, it was just Him. He said, The Lord your God is one and there...
  6. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Ĕlōhīm [(ʔ)eloˈ(h)im]) is a Hebrew word meaning "gods" or "godhood". Although the word is plural in form, in the Hebrew Bible it most often takes singular verbal or pronominal agreement and refers to a single deity, particularly but not always the God of Judaism. In other verses it takes plural...
  7. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    I am surprised you don't believe what God said.... How can Yahweh and Yeshua be one if Yeshua said.....My Father....50 times? How can Yahweh and Yeshua be one if Yeshua said.....My Father in Heaven? How can Yahweh and Yeshua be one if Yeshua ascended to His Father? How can Yahweh and Yeshua be...
  8. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    See what I mean....You are assuming that this verse has something to do with the sons of God verses. If Yahweh would have indicated that they did wrong or intend to punish them.....I would be with you on speculating that these verses were referring to those verses. But what I can tell good came...
  9. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. In those days.....before and after they married the daughters of men. And another...
  10. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Those verses pose more questions than answers. Were they some type of divine being or angel, that could marry and impregnate women? As the verses read there were giants in the land before the women were impregnated. The offspring of these marriages were called mighty men of renown.....that sound...
  11. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    The Old Testament is pretty large volume. Yahweh spoke to people and the prophets were speaking. Plenty of time for Yahweh to speak of the Devil to people and plenty of time to warn them if he was a threat. They do not waist to much time in the New Testament. The association with the serpent...
  12. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Are you talking about the sons of God?
  13. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    New Testament. There is no doubt that Satan is defined as the Devil in the New Testament.....but not in the Old Testament. Does that give us an indication of when the fall of the angels occurred? Did the fall of the angels occur between the testaments?
  14. Grailhunter

    The Trinity! Is it found in the old testament?

    I am the LORD, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me; That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the LORD, and there is no other, Isaiah 45:5-6 You say that Yahweh lied..... Before...
  15. Grailhunter

    The Trinity! Is it found in the old testament?

    So many errors. There are over a hundred scriptures that prove the 3 in 1 formula for the Trinity wrong. And it was the spirit of God above the waters.... The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the...
  16. Grailhunter

    The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?

    The scriptures define it as a eternal fiery torment. The Old Testament did not include a belief in Hell or the Devil so the Jews did not and do not believe in Hell or the Devil A place of eternal fiery torment was new information in the New Testament so there was not a word for it, that is why...
  17. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Changing things through the translational process. 1. You have to be careful of Hebrew names, they can mean literal things. 2. If people want things bad enough to be in the Bible they will put them there in the translational process. As far as the devil in the Old Testament, there is a reason...
  18. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Long story… You shall not take the name Yahweh your God in vain, for Yahweh will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain. From this the Israelites/Jews eventually came to believe that Yahweh did not want His name spoken by anyone. So that went to this… You shall not take the name...
  19. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Paleo-Hebrew----Yahweh----Hebrew letters Classical-Hebrew----YHWH----Hebrew letters Septuagint LXX----kurios---Greek English----Lord Read right to left no spaces---One continuous word. Yahweh’s name removed 6,800 times.