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  1. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    For the co-existant folks it would have been good if Yahweh said in the Old Testament …..Except for Yeshua I am the only God and there is no other like me. But he gave no exceptions and in fact said that He created everything. Now Yahweh AND Yeshua AND the Holy Spirits are full fledged Gods...
  2. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Well GodGrace it looks like we only disagee on a couple things. That is perfectly fine. God Bless.
  3. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Conceived is not created, the word conceived is used not created. If He was not conceived He was not the Son of God. Born is not created....And no biblical explanation for the pre-existing Yeshua forming Himself as a fetus and Scotty beaming Him into Miriam's worm. And then you have the...
  4. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Known as the Son of God not the Son of the Holy Spirit. Or if 3 in 1 Son of Themselves? I am not saying the Holy Spirit was not involved......just wonder how. You are right the New Testament does teach that, but the Old Testament does not. Yahweh did all the creating and according to Him there...
  5. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Born is not created....And no biblical explanation for the pre-existing Yeshua forming Himself as a fetus and Scotty beaming Him into Miriam's worm. And then you have the perpetual virgin thing where Scotty beams Him in her womb and out of her womb. The Bible does not explain anything like that...
  6. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    There is no way to harmonize this with the Old Testament. No way to get out of picking one or the other. In the Old Testament Yahweh created everything and He said He created everything and He repeated said He was the only God and there was no other like Him. Taking creation away from the Father...
  7. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    That is OK, old habits dies hard.....so do false beliefs.....I am not mad at you for not believing me. This one has its own life because it is not biblical......They are named in the Bible.....How clearer does it need to be? Over a hundred scriptures prove the one God formula wrong hands down...
  8. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Yahweh does a lot of threating and violence in the Old Testament but I do not see the words Satan or devil in these scriptures.
  9. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Again this is a full story and pulling a one liner out of context no way point to the Messiah. But this is all they have because there is not a full description of how Yeshua was or his ministry in the Old Testament so they resort to pulling one liners out of context and suggest it is a...
  10. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    The question is did you learn anything from reading Job? The word Satan appears 18 times in the Old Testament and 12 times in Job. But nowhere is he identified as a devil. In Job he presents himself to Yahweh and He asks Satan about the righteousness of Job and they both agree to test Job...
  11. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Different languages do not matter.....In this case only Hebrew. Christ was Jewish and his mother gave Him a Jewish name....Yeshua....and we can read it and pronounce His name.....no need to use a different language. Same goes for God the Father.....Yahweh.
  12. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    3 Gods No harm done. Whether you believe me or not there is a God named Yahweh and a God named Yeshua and a unnamed God called the Holy Spirit. How you do the math on that does not bother me.
  13. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Yeshua was not created....He was born.
  14. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Somewhat a mystery.....The name of the Holy Spirit is not revealed in the scriptures and this God's involvement with the impregnation of Miriam is not explained. So many changes between the testaments.....What is the story of the Holy Spirit? Where did this God come from? The scriptures do not...
  15. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    This is a simple thing. One God impregnated a woman from the blood line of King David and she conceived from Him and she had a baby. The baby was another God. Yeshua got His human form from His mother and Divinity from His Father. The verse.....God so loved the world that He gave His only...
  16. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Again let me reword this This is like texting things get lost. There is no J's in the Greek or Hebrew or Aramaic. There are 3 Gods in the New Testament.....big G. God is a divine position, not a person and not a name. Yahweh would no more say Hello I am God than you would say hello I am person...
  17. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Are You talking about Isaiah 7:14? You know that verse sits in a whole storyline about a testing the faith of king and the virgin birth is Isaiah's wife. That is why it is good to know the language and time period culture. Back then a woman that had not had a baby yet was considered a virgin.
  18. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    The name "James" in Hebrew is translated as "Yaakov" (יעקב). This name is commonly recognized in Hebrew contexts and maintains the essence of the original name. Additionally, "James" is the English equivalent of "Jacob," which also translates to "Yaakov" in Hebrew.
  19. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    LOL Christ explained the oneness concept.