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  1. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    How is it in any way a "false accusation" to merely observe what you are doing? Are you one of those people who say men can become women--I just have to refuse to observe what my eyes are telling me? Just go ahead and address the passages I raised, and you can be done with all of this. LOL...
  2. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    You're still unwilling to accept Scripture--you still don't believe it. That's fine. Just say so--just say "My tradition doesn't have any room for that Scriptural doctrine that we are repaid eternal life for doing good."
  3. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    1. This is completely beside the point, another sidestep of the doctrine: life is REPAID those who work what is good. 2. The passage says, "God is at work in you to will and do for His good pleasure", so you have to "obey" (Php 2)--ie, if you want it to say, "God is at work, therefore it's...
  4. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    1. LOL It's not a "demand", nor is it "mine", it's just a logical and reasonable expectation that we would be discussing the same topic in a discussion--the last time I checked, this was a discussion forum--and the fact that you refuse to address those Scriptures says everything we need to know...
  5. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    You have no proof that I am erring in my interpretation of Scripture. More than that, you REFUSE to discuss those Scriptures I raise that disprove your beliefs--instead, you quote some other verses of Scripture. Show how I am misrepresenting the doctrines Paul taught IN THOSE SCRIPTURES I...
  6. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    By saying "All that I am saying is Scriptural", you aren't saying anything other than what I said you were doing: believing in Scripture, yes, but you're believing only your favorite little snippets of Scripture, not the whole. I never denied that what you were saying was Scriptural, just not...
  7. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    So, you're AGREEING with Galatians 6:6-10, that we are repaid eternal life for righteousness, BUT you are only stipulating that "walking by the Spirit" is the method whereby we do those good deeds we are repaid eternal life for doing?
  8. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    No, this is just another example of you believing in just one SNIPPET of Scripture, and not the whole. The same Paul that says you're justified by grace through faith ALSO says you're "condemned" (not "justified") if you sin (Ro 14:23), and only doers of the Law will be justified when God...
  9. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    Actually, you don't know what "Salvation" even is--it's compared to the Jews' salvation from Egypt, but after their salvation, they sinned, so they didn't inherit the promise but died under God's wrath in the wilderness (1 Corinthians 10). Salvation is God getting us out of the slavery we were...
  10. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    Address the verses I cited, which prove eternal life is repaid doers of good, and offer a more plausible interpretation.
  11. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    Lots of talking, still nowhere do you address those verses I raised proving eternal life is repaid doers of good. Try again. Just quote the verses I cited, and offer a better interpretation.
  12. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    Galatians 6 6The one who is taught the word is to share all good things with the one who teaches him. 7Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. 8For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the...
  13. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    Romans 6 says eternal life is a gift because slavery to righteousness is a gift--eternal life being a "gift" is only as a RESULT of slavery to righteousness being a gift. THAT SAID, Paul also says "work out your salvation"--the reality is that we are slaves of righteousness, but if we walk...
  14. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    That isn't what the passages I cited teach. John's Gospel mentions SEVERAL things that are necessary for eternal life--not just one. You believe one snippet of that Gospel, I prefer to believe it all.
  15. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    So, you do not agree that eternal life is repaid doers of good according to the passages I cited? What DO those passages say?
  16. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    That very same book ALSO teaches "if you know these things, blessed are you if you do them" (you are NOT "blessed" if you DON'T), and "I know the command of God is eternal life, so, I speak and do as I'm told", and "we must work the works of Him Who sent me" and "the Father works and I work" and...
  17. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    So, which "translation" of Galatians 6:6-10, or Romans 2:5-16, or any of the other verses I cited, DOES NOT teach that eternal life will be repaid doers of good?
  18. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    Don't you agree that James 2 is simply calling the Christians to repentance--since he calls them "adulteresses against God", affirming that his audience is already "married" to God (ie, they are believers) in James 4?
  19. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    So, are you saying you agree with those verses I raised--ie, that eternal life is repaid doers of good?
  20. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    They asked, "How may WE work the works of God?" Jesus answers, "'God's works' He would have YOU to do is for YOU to believe in Me."