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  1. Phoneman777

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Is this saying the wicked will smolder for all eternity and the resulting smoke continuously ascends up? Not necessarily -- "The word "aionios" refers to "duration: either undefined but NOT endless; or undefined because endless". All scholars agree that when "forever" (OT "olam"/NT "aionios")...
  2. Phoneman777

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    I'm curious: You're saying a person must repent of their sins and be baptized also in order to be saved?
  3. Phoneman777

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    A thought worth much consideration! Thank you!
  4. Phoneman777

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    There are ways of interpreting the Bible to show that it doesn't necessarily support Calvinism...for instance, when God He "hated" Esau, we can compare that to when Jesus said we can't be His disciples unless we "hate" our parents -- which obviously means "love less", not despise with contempt...
  5. Phoneman777

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    I think we can both agree the "fruit" to which Jesus referred is "words" and "actions", OK? Let's just come right out and say it. When a professing Christian refuses to repent and be baptized, we know he's either sincerely or deliberately wrong. But, "repent" of what? Obviously, of wrong words...
  6. Phoneman777

    The Biblical Basis for Catholic Distinctives

    No, it's directed against Catholic doctrine because Catholicism finds NO BASIS in Scripture. The infamous "Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification" (JDDJ) is deceptively worded to teach "salvation is by grace alone through the merits of Christ's work alone" which is bulldookey. This...
  7. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    That's a popular but false interpretation I used to believe as well, taught to us by those who refuse to accept the Sabbath truth, and the proof is right there in Hebrews 4:10 KJV: "...for he that hath entered into His rest, he hath ceased from his own works as God did from His." Question...
  8. Phoneman777

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    Can you show me where the Bible says it's OK to disregard "fruit inspector" deputy badges Jesus gave us because sometimes we, too, mess up? If not, you need to put the badge back on and start holding the brethren accountable. I think the reason church is so out of hand with girls sitting their...
  9. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    If you study Hebrews 4 very closely, you'll see that this "rest" to which you refer - rest in God - is translated over and over from the word "kataposis". Start in verse 1 and go down to verse 8. Over and over, this "rest" in Jesus to which you refer is from "kataposis".... ...UNTIL YOU GET TO...
  10. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Does the commandment say we are to rest everyday? No, it says we are to work six days and rest the seventh. Yes, we enter into Christ's SPIRITUAL rest and Hebrews 4:9-10 KJV says the outward expression of this inward condition is the keeping of Sabbath, just like BAPTISM is the outward...
  11. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Why don't you ask the Early Church Fathers who they said Paul was talking about when he wrote to the Thessalonians about the subject of the Restrainer? After all, they lived in a time not to far removed from Paul, whereas we now live 2,000 years later. Who is in a better position to know what...
  12. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    How can "antichrist be Satan" when John says they were once with us standing side by side, preaching, healing, baptizing, but they "went out from us" in apostasy. That's not a description of Satan - that's a description of MEN. I can see you've not studied Protestant Historicism, so I'll...
  13. Phoneman777

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    Doing that doesn't require the inspection of fruit - yet Jesus told us to inspect fruit. What say you on this?
  14. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    The Papacy claims to be the Antichrist. They have always claimed to stand in the stead of Christ, to be the dispensers of salvation (Who actually is Christ), to stand in the Judgment seat of Christ (which obviously belongs to Christ alone), to be as Divine as Christ (Who has "no other God...
  15. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    There's plenty of reasons to believe the Papacy is the Antichrist, so much so that the entire Protestant world held that belief and "saved by grace through faith alone" as the "Twin Pillars of the Protestant Reformation". Even Spurgeon said, "And as to what Antichrist is, no sane man ought to...
  16. Phoneman777

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    Biblically speaking, the saint can be lost, but by what means? Sin? Wow, that's heresy! No, not sin. What causes the saint to be lost is that the saint withdraws his surrendered will from God and re-surrenders it to himself. He ceases from "Not my will, but Thine" and declares "To hell with...
  17. Phoneman777

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    LOL, no I didn't mean it literally, but sometimes we can all get to be a bit stubborn, so... Have you seen some of the crazy doctrines that are coming into the church? Bishop Desmond Tutu was buried recently - he was a major voice for global Christianity, but denied the literal, bodily...
  18. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    One thing I've noticed about antinomians is they cannot discern the difference between "Christian Origination" and "Christian Obligation". Everyone knows about the origin of Christian life: "For ye are saved by grace through faith, and that not of yourselves. It is the gift of God, not of...
  19. Phoneman777

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    You're preaching to the choir. I'm the first to say the Presumptuous Man is going to split hell wide open...because he has no love for Jesus, because if we love Jesus at all, we'll want to stop doing the things that made necessary His death on the Cross in the first place :)
  20. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    You do realize that Hebrews 4:9-10 says the opposite of what you say, right? "It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath. For he that has entered into His rest, he has ceased from his own works, as God did from His." Hebrews 4:9 (Lamsa) Peshitta Yes, right there in our...