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I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I simply asked you to use the Bible to make your point instead of using philosophical arguements. I also asked you to consider the entire chapter when considering a verse, or if need be, additional chapters preceding or following (that...

feel free to do what you want.... Will you be providing verses that say Satan created evil, as well? If you want to demand rules, I have a few of my own. 1. Use the Bible to make your point, not philosophy. 2. Include the entire chapter or chapters if necessary and don't skip verses...

Give me a break Vengle.... When the Lord said what he said in Isa 45 he was in the middle of making a point about who he was.... He was the Lord, the Only Lord and the Only God. There is none beside him, none before him, none after him. The context of he created evil is spot on...

Vengle, that doesn't mean it was an exact replica. Jerusalem was a model for New Jerusalem. The Law was a shadow of Grace. That doesn't mean they were exact replicas. Once again, this is a pretty small point and while it does dispell that Eze 28 is not talking about Satan, it's just a small...

I have said before and I say again, yes it does mirror or show a likeness to the fall of Satan, but it is not talking about the fall of Satan. There is no mistaking what he was pointing to when he called the prince of Tyre "a man" in Ezekiel 28. Clearly you would agree from the text I brought...

Ummm... Yea... Vengle... That is what I was pretty much saying. It not only occured to me. I actually pointed it out.

Satan was in the Garden of Eden, But the prince of Tyre was in Eden, "The Garden of God." There is a difference. The Garden of Eden as explained in Genesis 1-3 was (what I believe, and I'll leave it at that) a different dimension. If you believe it was or still is a place on earth, I won't...

This a Veteran likes to put it, from a carnal mind. Remember, Gods thoughts and ways are higher than ours.

I really don't know how to answer that question. Satan fell because he was evil. If you mean why did he remain in Heaven so long when he was evil, we don't really know. Probably for the same reason that Judas as an apostle for so long before he manifested his nature. As for it not being...

Veteran, You aren't telling me anything I don't already understand. You think I don't know when Satan fell? I absolutely believe it was between Gen 1:1 and 1:2. That's not something new. Now everything you just said in my quote of you, I can turn around on you and ask you the same question...

Veteran, with all due respect, you are using human reasoning to get around what Isa 45:7 clearly says. God created evil. I'd also like to revisit your discussion of when Satan was cast out, and when we were chosen in Him. it's not the same time period. yes, both before the creation of this...

I don't subscribe to the free will theory, either. Even still, it does not explain why God said he did indeed create evil. Genesis 2:9 says he planted the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

First off, it is a very good point you made about when Satan fell. I am fully aware of when he did, and agree with you on this particular point. However, your theory has several things that should be addressed: Whether or not Satan is the originator, or God is, it all comes back to God. God...

I'd also like to know why Danp is asking all these questions. But also, what's the size of the angels and the pin? And if I don't get an answer to either, well the gosh darn... Maybe my coffee in the morning won't taste right! But maybe it will taste the same. Maybe better. In any sense, I...

I haven't read it. I am prone not to believe it because of what the Bible says. I believe John closed the book on the Holy Scriptures and no more is needed nor pending. However, I have an active mind and would listen. For me to say it is false would be wrong, as I have not read it. I am...

Gotta back Aspen on that! I also think it's an evil spirit of some sort... Maybe a spirit of gluttony or habit. But I do believe it's managable through the Lord.

Did God create evil? We have this verse: Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (KJV) It is pretty strong evidence. Yet some want to say that this verse really means God created calamities like earthquakes. The...

No, my point is that you didn't address my concerns. I repeated myself because you failed at that time to give me any Bible verse, yet relied on CS Lewis and Augustine as your backing. Both fine men, and I like CS Lewis, and have not read Augustine extensively (I can't comment on him, then...

Ok.... Well, I suppose I will have to start another thread soon. Augustine and CS Lewis are fine, get them to come on the board and I'll ask them to explain it, and I'll ask them where does the Bible say it? In the mean time, I guess I'll have to settle for you! In your defense, John 8:44 and...

Ok.... Well, I suppose I will have to start another thread soon. Augustine and CS Lewis are fine, get them to come on the board and I'll ask them to explain it, and I'll ask them where does the Bible say it? In the mean time, I guess I'll have to settle for you! In your defense, John 8:44 and...