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Hold on Jane, Hold on... So your men have taught you that “lawlessness” was creeping into the Christian Faith during the time of the Apostles (of which I agree) and the only men on earth that could restrain this lawlessness were the Apostles (Of which I agree). But once the last Apostle died...

o_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_O Oh goodness.....

Not true!! No where at no point does Scripture EVER say that Jesus or anyone else "underwent full immersion baptism". That is why the debate rages on...because it is not in Scripture. Previously you asked the question, "Using just the Bible can a trinity be proven?". Well, the same criteria...

Goodness gracious Jane. You make no sense. I said, "It takes MAN to interpret His word." and you go on to disagree with me but then go on to say that God is the one who chooses us AND He is the one who opens our eyes of understanding. Can you not see how you are agreeing with me but then say...

Well, I guess if you don't read or include the passages that are opposite of your interpretation then you are right.

The Bible has no clear statement on A LOT of things that Christians adhere to and practice. So what's your point? Using your logic that the Bible has no clear statement on the Trinity means that you can't DENY the Trinity since there is "no clear statement" on it. YOUR men, starting with Arius...

Oh goodness David. If you or anyone else on here does not want to be called dishonest then don't be dishonest. I qualified my remarks with the facts and the fact is there was dishonesty going on. To be HONEST in yours and tiggers post the two of you would have fully quoted me, in context AND...

Hey Jane, We can't leave "extra biblical material" out of the discussion because every person reads all the vs's you just posted and ADDS their interpretation to it. You read those vs's and interpret it YOUR way. The men of the CC read it a different way. The men of the Baptist church read it a...

I did call you dishonest. The reason I called you dishonest is because you were being....dishonest! dishonest defined: characterized by lack of truth, honesty, or trustworthiness You did not fully quote what I wrote which took away the context of what we were discussing. To do that is not...

Hey Tigger, I can't find the post that "previously pointed out in the ANF, Ch. 18, there are two columns". Which post was that? Sincerely, Mary

Hey Tigger, Give me evidence that Ignatius Epistle to the Ephesians is NOT what he wrote and that there were changes to it! You suggested there were changes. I can't find evidence there was! Respectfully, Mary

ditto for anti-trinitarians....back to square one :rolleyes: Or to put it another way: The pot calling the kettle black ;)

Hey Tigger, Show me where I denied that Lamson was NOT an influential writer OR where I implied that he must be a liar. If you can provide that evidence I will correct what I have written. I have never heard of him and I can't find him on a list of "influential writers". Can you provide a list...

Hi david, I did not contradict my own quote. I quoted something and then you quoted part of it (out of context) and then I corrected you. I made it clear that there is NOT a unanimous agreement on the subject of the Trinity. I am the one who quoted that. You are the one who quoted it...

I can't hear you so I don't know if you "sound young". But you write as a child that has not yet learned what has been taught and accepted for 2,000 years. Also, I am younger than you! The problem is not quoting. The problem you have is not quoting in context....as I previously showed you!

Arius, the original Trinity denying heretic of which you follow, was not killed for his heresy. He allegedly died of a bowel problem. God did not condone the killings for heresy. That was a work of Satan. The tree of anti-trinitarism has produced little fruit. A bitter fruit that is rejected...

You reject the thinking ability and logic of the majority of the greatest Christian minds and accept the logic and thinking ability of your men. It is not a matter of popularity. It is a matter of the Truth. And you have been given it. Now, you are free....John 8:32

Hey Tigger, Who we were supposed to find a mention or suggestion of the "trinity" in the writing of 1 Clement?

So you agree with The Catholic Church when it fits what YOU believe but disagree with The Catholic Church when it doesn't teach what you believe? Well, I guess that will always make YOU right and The Church will always be wrong. :cool:

What could be more clear: Non Trinitarian Faith Groups That Reject the Trinity (learnreligions.com) The doctrine of the Trinity is central to most Christian denominations and faith groups, although not all. The term Trinity is not found in the Bible, and the concept is not easy to grasp or...