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I asked YOU a question. YOU are refusing to answer it. You are not going to get your own way with me since you do not have the authority to do so. SPEAK FOR YOURSELF (such a novel idea, wouldn't you agree) and don't let others speak for you. Then we will discuss the issue at hand OR you can or...

Thanks Matthew, I THINK I now better understand what you have been taught. So you believe that the passage that says Obey them that have the rule over you and submit yourselves (to them) was meant only to the Christians that were alive when that was written? After all the Church leaders died...

Lol....I'm not going to get my own way with you?? I don't have the "authority to do so"? I am in error? What the heck does that mean?o_O YOU are the one who wants me to watch a video of what some guy that has authority over what YOU believe but you can't tell me for YOURSELF what you believe...

Hey Matthew, What do you make of this passage that tells us to be submissive to our church leaders: Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves:

Once again....you are being condescending but I suspect that is in your nature and you can't stop it so I forgive you. What "history" are you speaking of ?

Ok....so we are in agreement that He remained with some. Clement of Rome, Ignatius of Antioch and Polycarp were students of the Apostles. Were any of them savage wolves who were speaking perverse things to draw away the disciples?

Oh goodness....The Holy Spirit poured out upon all flesh the Trutho_O Sooooooo if the Holy Spirit did as you theorize it did then why does everyone teach a different Truth if the Truth was poured out onto all of us? You got a pouring of the Truth, Marymog got a pouring of the Truth, Joe Smith...

Oh goodness....I asked you a VERY DIRECT QUESTION. Instead of answering it you start of being condescending and then go into non-sensical statements. Just answer my question so I can better understand what you believe: Is your theory that when the Apostle John died there was no longer an...

Ok,,,,,soooo he remained with SOME! Didn't He?

nope.....not playing that game OR watching that video Johann. I asked YOU a question and I want to know what YOU think. Not what some guy in a video thinks. I gave you Scripture that clearly states that "Christ himself gave the apostles" and "God has appointed these in the church: first...

Who taught you this? Curious Mary

The men of The Church are "them" that are "specially called". Just like Scripture says: Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Fascinating theory... Scripture says So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of...

oops....you missed this question: What do you believe Johann? I answered your question....Please don't dodge mine! :rolleyes:

According to Bruder’s Concordance the word apostle appears about eighty times and denotes often not all the disciples of the Lord, but some of them specially called. So, yes, I believe there are "apostles running around"! What do you believe Johann?

Got it...thanks for the clarification. Here is my work, which is part of your Christian history: Ignatius of Antioch, a student of the Apostle John: For our God, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God’s plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit”...

Your theory makes absoultly NO SENSE. Pauls "good intentions" was to teach Timothy the TRUTH and Pauls intention was to have Timothy teach other "faithful men" the TRUTH but Paul's intentions "did not go according to his desire for them"????????? Seriously? The TRUTH was not passed down to...

Ok....soooooo that makes no sense. I agree with you that an apostle (small 'a') is one who is sent. But I am asking you about the last Apostle (capital 'A', one of the 12). Is your theory that when the Apostle John died there was no longer an AUTHORITY OF MEN to be submissive too? And your...

Thanks Scott. You said that "the spirit of God did not remain with THEM" (emphasis mine). Who is "them"? Curious Mary