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Jim, Thanks for showing me I missed the point. I agree that I'm not the one who has professional medical or genetic qualifications to decide if someone was 'born that way'. I'm pleased you understand the 'born gay' is different from God's view of sinful behaviour. Why do you think more...

Thanks, Jim. You are engaging in the apologetic task of reasoning with them here. Excellent content. For me, I'd be asking them what presuppositions I'm dumping on them and how they perceive them. Let's talk about them. Then I'd discuss presuppositions and theirs vs mine. For example, when...

Therefore, Jim, on the basis of 1 Cor 6:9-10 it is sinful behaviour that prevents one from entering the kingdom the kingdom of God. So it is behavioural, as is the whole list of sins mentioned in these verses. The cure for these sins is being sanctified, justified in the name of the Lord Jesus...

Axehead, Notice what I said: 'Quit dumping your presuppositions on me'. I did not say, 'Quit'. Are you saying that there would be no responsibility for you to deal with the situation like Paul did at the Areopagus at Athens (Acts 17 ESV)? Paul didn't take the line you are recommending. He...

What would you say to the person who says, 'That's your belief; you got it from your Bible, "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth". I don't believe there is a God and I don't believe the Bible. Quit dumping your presuppositions on me'?

Edward Fudge is one of the most ardent promoters of annihilation. His views have been known for years. Calling him a 'New Testament scholar' is pushing the limits of NT scholarship. His doctorate is in jurisprudence (law). There have been many down through the years who have refuted his views...

Now brother Jim, are you saying that the Bible is not crystal clear on what God's view is of heterosexuality or homosexuality? Which side of the fence do you think God is on? Should we be on his side or not? Did he get it right or wrong? :rolleyes: Oz

A monarchy does not have to be an autocracy. I live under a monarchy, in Australia, but it is not an autocracy. It is a democracy. Oz

Please remember that you need witnesses, in case your brother becomes abusive towards your spouse. Hence the need for this to happen in public. If it happens in your house, it is too open to further abuse towards your spouse. If the public meeting does not work, it might pay for you to talk it...

Zeke25, There's too much fuzzy thinking, in my view, in your response for me to spend any time wading through it to refute the points you have made. I'll mention just one: The fact remains that you couldn't even begin this thread without citing from some other writers, the CoG. You didn't...

So are you going to throw out all contemporary teachers in the Christian church? I'm thinking of people like Marcus Loane, Peter Jensen, Leon Morris, John Stott, F F Bruce, N T Wright, Richard Bauckham, R C Sproul, John MacArthur, Albert Mohler, D A Carson, Wayne Grudem, Roger Olson, Kevin...

I'm wasting my time trying to explain an issue that came out of the article for which you provided a link. I read the entire article and addressed the approach used by the researchers. Bye :ph34r:

Cardinal, I'm a long-term Christian who has spent many years as a Christian in counselling. Based on what you have given here. I make a few suggestions: Your brother is engaged in abuse of your spouse. Abuse is not just physical, but includes verbal and emotional abuse. You cannot stop your...

River, It most definitely would change a great deal because 'biblical literalists' has become pejorative language to put down people who accept a plain reading of ANY text. I note that in your response you made no attempt to address what I had stated about the need for all reading to involve...

zeke, Justin inaccurately claimed, “And then, when Jesus had gone to the river Jordan, where John was baptizing, and when He had stepped into the water, a fire was kindled in the Jordan (Dialogue. Chapter LXXXVIII).” There is no fire in mentioned in any biblical account of Jesus' baptism...

No I didn't. I'm too dumb on this Saturday morning Down Under to be sharp enough to catch your emphasis. My problem! :wub: However, it's amazing the put-downs that scientific writers in that article used to give a pejorative label to those of us who believe in reading Shakespeare, Captain James...

From what I wrote in #103. what would ever give you the idea that I am 'spiritualizing' any data? Don't you understand the meaning of 'the plain meaning of the text'? Why didn't you deal with the content of what I wrote?

In my post #103 in this thread, http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/21225-biblical-literalism-correlates-with-anti-science/page-4, the quote is much closer to the darkness of the other writing I did. Thanks so much for working on this to enlighten my visual ability. Oz

River Jordan, I note your statement, ‘As you can see, evolution is accepted by the majority of the developed world. Couple that with survey data showing that atheists comprise between 2-8% of the population, and the conclusion is obvious...most people who accept the reality of evolution are...

You haven't provided a back quote citation, so I have no way of knowing if the quote is in light colour. However, your quote of 1 Peter 3:15 is in faded colour, which is the problem I mentioned. Could it have to do with my browser? I use Firefox. I'll try opening with Chrome to see if that...