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  1. OzSpen

    Christianity vs America and the world

    At #3 you responded to me with a logical fallacy. It has nothing to do with the person to whom you refer. It has to do with YOU and your response to me - a red herring logical fallacy. I know that originally discipleofjesus777 was the one who used a red herring fallacy in his response to me...
  2. OzSpen

    12 reasons why hell is not eternal conscious torment

    Why can't you admit to the logical fallacy that you used?
  3. OzSpen

    Traditional Worship VS Praise and Worship Venues

    Has it to do with power in hierarchy? It didn't take all that long historically for the 1 Cor 14:26 (NLT) model to be abandoned for a hierarchical bishopric and the abandonment of every-member ministry. When I talk with church people about this, they seem to be convinced that there are only a...
  4. OzSpen

    Christianity vs America and the world

    I have already talked about the issue I was raising, which is your false statement: But you did not want to deal with the fact that Jesus' upheld teachings that were OTHER than the Ten Commandments. You do not want to admit the error you made with this statement. Instead you want to deal with...
  5. OzSpen

    Christianity vs America and the world

    You use a red herring logical fallacy. The issue I was addressing was your false statement:
  6. OzSpen

    Christianity vs America and the world

    This is a false statement as Matt 12:40 (ESV) indicates: 'For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth'. I could find other Scriptures where Jesus upheld the OT and it was other than the...
  7. OzSpen

    12 reasons why hell is not eternal conscious torment

    That's an absolutely false view. That is another dodge to avoid dealing with your use of a logical fallacy, which is fallacious reasoning.
  8. OzSpen

    Traditional Worship VS Praise and Worship Venues

    Jim, Thanks for your input. I also agree that the disorder in Corinth and the order for the silence of women (1 Cor 15:33-35 NIV) applied specifically to the Corinthian disorder where women seemed to have been the chief offenders, but also to any such disorder in 'all the churches'. It was not...
  9. OzSpen

    12 reasons why hell is not eternal conscious torment

    You are avoiding what I wrote at #230. You've given me another red herring logical fallacy. We can't have a logical discussion when you do this.
  10. OzSpen

    Biblical literalism correlates with anti-science

    But you've been shown how you can make the font on this page larger by using your keyboard or browser zoom. Why did you not take notice of that recommendation and you continued to use this large font?
  11. OzSpen

    Biblical literalism correlates with anti-science

    That makes sense. I can enlarge the font or decrease its size by using the Ctrl+ and Ctrl- signs on my keyboard. For anyone having difficulty with font size on CB, this keyboard facility solves the issue for all posts. That's OK for me as I'm still old fashioned enough to still be using my PC...
  12. OzSpen

    Traditional Worship VS Praise and Worship Venues

    Jim, I consider there is another dimension that seems to be lost in most church gatherings in my part of the world: 'Well, my brothers and sisters, let’s summarize. When you meet together, one will sing, another will teach, another will tell some special revelation God has given, one will...
  13. OzSpen

    12 reasons why hell is not eternal conscious torment

    False logic is still false logic no matter the protest of 'nothing wrong with his post'. Don't you understand how logical discussion is closed down when people use a logical fallacy? Here you have given me another red herring fallacy when compared with the content of what I gave at #224. Until...
  14. OzSpen

    12 reasons why hell is not eternal conscious torment

    Butch, We cannot have a rational conversation when you do this to my post at #224. You did not deal with the issues I raised and the exegesis I provided. Instead, you were off and running with your own topic. That means you committed a red herring logical fallacy. It is fallacious reasoning...
  15. OzSpen

    12 reasons why hell is not eternal conscious torment

    ATP, It's not your or my place to decide what is the best way to teach about what happens at death. As it happens, under the OT regime (before the cross and resurrection), Jesus used the parable of the rich man and Lazarus to teach about what happens at death for both believer and unbeliever...
  16. OzSpen

    Hello from Vegas!

    Stan, How do I stop getting this profusion of email in my inbox? I awoke this morning to 22 email from CB.
  17. OzSpen

    12 reasons why hell is not eternal conscious torment

    Butch5, You have invented what this means as 'the demise of the priesthood'. There is not a word in the semantics of Luke 16:19-31 that talks about his. Your response is an invention. But Luke 16 does talk about 'the poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man...
  18. OzSpen

    12 reasons why hell is not eternal conscious torment

    ATP, I find it difficult to accept these as meaning literal physical day and night. Here's my reasoning, in the words of commentator, George Eldon Ladd: Oz Works consulted Ladd, G E 1972. A Commentary on the Revelation of John. Grand Rapids, Michigan: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company...
  19. OzSpen

    Hello from Vegas!

    Great to see you joining us, Jim. At some point in the future, I'd be interested in hearing how Pentecostal marries with Orthodox teaching. But that's for later. Glad to see you join the Board from the glitter of Vegas. Oz
  20. OzSpen

    12 reasons why hell is not eternal conscious torment

    Butch5, The dead are not unconscious. We know that from the parable given in Luke 16:19-31 (ESV) where the 'the rich man [the unbeliever] also died and was buried, and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side' (vv 22-23). He was alive and...