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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Right. There is absolutely no indication whatsoever that Jesus was not speaking literally there. When He wanted to speak figuratively or non-literally in the Olivet Discourse, He told parables. Matthew 24:15-22 is not a parable.
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Jesus did not talk about great tribulation that would be "worse than ever before or ever again". Read what He actually said instead of what you imagine that He said. He said there would be great tribulation unlike any that ever had been before or ever would be again (such as not has been or...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    So, he needs you to speak for him? LOL. No one believes in more ridiculous nonsense than you do. Ladies and gentlemen, this comedian here who calls himself "TribulationSigns" does not believe that there is such thing as spirit beings called the devil/Satan, demons and angels. This guy can't...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Yes, I know that. In Daniel 9:26-27. I'm not going to buy your preterist nonsense. The book of Revelation is about Jesus Christ and His church and His enemies and covers the entire New Testament time period and has nothing to do with 70 AD.
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    Christ has already returned ?

    Neither does he. Not even close. He's a preterist.
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Luke 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    That has a different context than Revelation 7. That great tribulation spoken by Christ relates to God's wrath rather than trials and tribulation that believers go through. Compare Matthew 24:21 to Luke 21:23-24. Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    The day of the Lord is the same day of the rapture (our being gathered and caught up to Christ). 2 Thessalonians 2:1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    USA/IRAN/ISRAEL PEACE DEAL?

    I think there's something you are missing here. Paul indicated that the "sudden destruction" was something that would come upon more than just Jerusalem and Judea because he told the Thessalonian believers that the way to avoid the sudden destruction was by being in the spiritual light rather...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    So, it seems that you would relate the great tribulation of Revelation 7 to the "much tribulation" that all of us have to go through to enter the kingdom of God, as Acts 14:22 says? We don't all have to endure persecution and even martyrdom like Stephen did, but, as Acts 14:22 indicates, we all...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    What was your reason for pointing out that they are parables then? Since you agree that parables can be used for doctrine, the fact that they are parables is irrelevant to what we're talking about. That passage gives details relating to Christ's second coming that simply do not support your...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    You make His mention that all unbelievers were destroyed in the flood meaningless and pointless. As if Him pointing that out had no relation to what will happen when He comes again. I completely disagree with that. He mentioned that detail for a reason. He mentions that all unbelievers were...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    I don't do that. There is no replacing of the immediate context, but there is no reason not to look at the other accounts for helping to understand the context, if necessary. Sure, we can try to figure that out the best we can first, but if that is not clear, then we can look at Matthew and...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    First and Second coming?

    Most Christians believe that the souls and spirits of those who physically/bodily die immediately go to be with the Lord in heaven, so there's no need for those who believe in the future mass bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ to tell the family that their loved one will be bodily...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    So, what do you see happening when Jesus comes exactly? Do you think that people will have to literally appear before Him to give an account of themselves? If so, how do you see that working exactly? Paul does say that we will meet Him "in the air" (1 Thess 4:14-17). What do you think that...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Some translations don't include the word "the" there because it's not in the original manuscripts. I don't believe that verse is talking about any particular great tribulation time period or event, but rather is talking generally about believers around the world enduring great tribulation until...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    What I meant to ask is if you see living unbelievers as being transported (not transformed) immediately from where they are to appearing before Jesus on His judgment seat/throne. I used the wrong word there. I wasn't talking about the transformation/change of their bodies like what Paul talks...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Read my post #488. Matthew 24:21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. Do you think "such as has not been" means "of as great of a scope has not been"? That's not what it says. How could any...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Because there are only two bodily comings of Christ. The first one is obvious and happened long ago. The second one is "the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13) when He will come in like manner as He ascended to heaven (Acts 1:9-11). In a...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    USA/IRAN/ISRAEL PEACE DEAL?

    That verse has nothing to do with a peace treaty in the Middle East. Let's look at it in context. 1 Thessalonians 5:2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them...