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You can lead people to knowledge...but you can't make them think. And since thinking is out of the equation....all that is left is a lack of experience with God and to replace that...a dogmatic certainty based on a one-sided ideology that props up a feeling of a good outcome for they who blindly...

It has been said that we are not to try reading Jesus through Paul, but rather Paul through Jesus. And I think that is wise. But how many realize just how influenced people are by Luther? Luther sought to break down the truth and be rid of the unknown variables that constitute the...

Good post. Yes...paradox. But it takes some honesty to see that...and quite a bit of seeking to find out why that is necessary. :)

Agreed. And that's the whole point of receiving all truth...it leads us right to Jesus Christ....in truth. (you shall know the truth) But Jesus Christ is as much a stumbling block for people as He is the cornerstone and foundation of life. In Christ mercy and truth have kissed. And...

You are using verses as a shield to hide a propaganda. And that is because you fear the unknown.

The brain is divided between what is known...and what is accepted by faith. Or we could say...between order and chaos....or the known and the unknown. Learning means what was previously unknown is now known...thus making an inter-brain connection. The unknown God. people take God by...

Of you only knew how long I have been trying to explain this....people ARE double minded...the brain has two almost disconnected hemispheres. A Christian needs to learn how they connect...not how to know an aspect of the truth in one side of the brain. So since I started this thread...I ask...

All of this still doesn't answer the very basic seeming contradictions....since it is trying to back up only one side of a truth...while leaving the other as being false. The human brain works that way...but that is the carnal mind, not the mind of Christ. So then the mind needs to be joined...

That's right. But very few can put the both/ands together in any kind of logical way.

I find your judgment interesting. What if I'm actually always speaking from exactly the same place but you are missing pieces from the puzzle? it's like the elephant in the dark room. If I describe something you have experienced...then you will agree. But if I describe MORE than you have...

How do you know you are indoctrinated? When you have to add the word "self" into the following text from Jesus... Luke 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Jesus compares the righteous to they who are healthy and don't need a doctor. (Jesus being that doctor) How...

That is the conclusion of someone who doesn't yet understand how to think like the bible is written. So you accuse foolishly....the bible itself. Doers of the law are justified....very basic. But your backward reasoning would have justified people then doing. But that is an evangelical...

You have it backwards. Read again and again if you have to. And to love is to do the law. I'm justified so I love? No...they who love are fulfilling the law....not they who are fulfilling the law will love because of that.

Then there is "doing" the law. Gal. 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no...

Another foundational dialectic...or "polarity" concerns the law. Rom. 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. Compare with... Rom. 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. So then grace...

OK so that goes against the idea that none are righteous no not one as a stand alone thesis....the basis for evangelicalism. So are you renouncing Luther? Do you understand how these things work? Or do you just accept that things don't add up...and walk away.?

More nonsense from you. You won't engage the OP...just look to disagree and derail threads as if knowledge was a virus to be immunized from. Instead you just say..I don't see a problem with it. Is it reading comprehension? Wilfull blindness?

You tell me how Zacharias and Elizabeth were blameless and righteous under the law. And your other responses were typically dishonest. And unless you actually try to think instead of saying meaningless things...I won't respond.

No evangelical can reconcile these seeming contradictions...since Luther based the reformation on there being NO righteousness apart from Christ...that no one can be righteous in one's own strength by the law. And yet we see people being said to be righteous many times...without Christ. So...

Thank you for so alertly bringing this to our attention. Even the women? No....not the women!