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Sounds good. Well, the, very same book tells you "water... spoke of the Spirit" but yeah just throw that in the trash so you can insert any meaning you please. Sounds good man. Enjoy.

Am I correct that you would not see "Unless one is born of water and Spirit" as a positive statement about what is actually needed to "enter God's Kingdom"--that "water" would not have to do with the new birth? Why would you not see the connection between water and Spirit given us in Scripture...

What's "awesome" is that fish he caught (avatar). LOL

So, still no answer for why you insist on blinding yourself to the connection between water and Spirit--"water... spake of the Spirit", "we have all been made to drink of one Spirit".

Well, the Spirit had also worked among them quite a bit, so that couldn't be in view by your reasoning. The reality is that they weren't born of the Spirit nor the Word--and, yes, we are explicitly told we are "born of incorruptible Seed", so Nicodemus, despite all his learning, did have to be...

Show where "born of water" was a normative phrase for "natural birth" in Jesus's time and place.

In the first statement, Christ clarifies what is necessary for entering ("...no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit."), which is the positive, in the next, He disabuses Nicodemus of his misunderstanding ("Can a man reenter his mother's womb and be 'born...

No, I meant IF I WERE YOU I would just write something like a paraphrase so as not to run afoul of copyright.

All right.

No, you're not going by the material provided by the author. You're importing definitions. I'm going by his material "water spake of the Spirit".

I stand by "living water... this He spake concerning the Spirit" as having been the author's intended referent. Even it is stated "drink of one Spirit". Not a problem for me if you want to reject what seems plain to me--the readers can decide. I'll wait for you to pull out the proof for...

1. Where "in the Bible" did "born of water" mean "natural birth"? 2. I'm going by the material provided me by the author. You find fault with that?

It is rude to intrude on others' discussions and dump your off topic material. Start your own discussion on those matters.

Doesn't work--Christ said "He is with you and will be in you" and that was what happened on Pentecost. Pentecost is the day the Law was given. The Holy Spirit is the New method of service Romans 6:14. It makes sense the New would take over on the same day as the Old was issued. Now the New says...

That material is all over the web.

If it were me I'd just write "These are citations for Jews referring to 'natural birth' as 'born of water' in Jesus's day".

I will be able to check their citations.

So you ask me to go to your site but youre unwilling to go there and copy paste material?

No you didn't. You said "such and such a book" but that doesn't prove ancient Israelites spoke or thought that way. Show me ancient Jewish citations.

You'd think you'd be able to share their citations.