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I bring my arguments and substantiation here, you also bring yours here. I'm not asking anyone to do something I'm not willing to do.

This was the consequential claim. Please substantiate this.

Who says "born of water" was understood at the time and place as referring to "natural birth"?

Do not attack me as "unable" just because YOU refuse to do YOUR work.

Thanks for sharing.

LOL I meant I wanted to hear what everyone had to say about it. This isn't about Catholicism (it isn't only Catholics who believe in it).

I wasn't asking you TO see it that way but whether you HAD--I don't need anything from you or anyone else.

I am not speaking about Catholicism here and then asking others not to speak about it. That is a false accusation which is a violation of the Decalogue. Control yourself. If you can't control your tongue your religion is worthless.

I think you are coming to the conversation with your own baggage and reading that in to what I'm saying rather than just taking me at my word. The point was that the Word is called "water"-"washing" isn't the discussion. "Gave Himself up for her" gives it away : this is talking about...

Please do not infer there is a problem with my mind as it is completely uncalled for. Just discuss the material. The problem is they received the Spirit without water baptism and Peter says this was just as at the first when the Spirit had fallen on them and they also were praising God in...

So baptism by blood (martyrdom before water baptism) brings them into Christ like water baptism? Seems like a conflation of the phrase of Jesus "with the baptism with which I am baptized" and the assumption that water baptism brings us into Christ.

No, Peter explains this was just as the Spirit had fallen on them on Pentecost when they had had cloven tongues of fire over their heads and spoke in other languages glorifying God. How is this relevant? The point is there was rebirth and I filling without water baptism. I agree there seem...

Here's a good debate on it. LOL It's 4 hours long. Enjoy! I thought both sides had good points but that baptismal regeneration lost out.

If you really think he is an apostate or heretic, I don't think you're allowed to either greet him or wish peace on him. Matthew 10 13If the house is worthy, see that your blessing of peace comes upon it. But if it is not worthy, take back your blessing of peace. 2 John 1 9[a]Anyone who goes...

What about when Paul mentions "having been buried with him in baptism" in Colossians 2 and "We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death" in Romans 6? Is it possible he doesn't mean "baptism was the instrument" but "it was a figure reflective of what was spiritually going on"?

I really wish I understood this better. Jesus died for our sins. But if we don't put forth effort and live in a way that pleases God we won't be saved. Therefore, what difference does it make that Jesus forgives our sins if we don't obey--therefore, what difference does it make that He forgave...

There is a serious problem for the ones who hold to baptismal regeneration in Acts 10, though, because the Spirit fell on the Gentiles while Peter was preaching (which would be "justification by faith in Christ plus nothing"), and Galatians 3-4 teach that God only sends the Spirit into our...

I personally do not know much about baptismal regeneration but I am glad to hear what everyone thinks.

"Salvation by faith alone" ("saved" being un-Biblicallly defined as "definitely going to heaven") is often argued, based Romans 3:19 - Romans 5:1; what about Romans 14:23 which teaches that sin has the power to compromise justification (even if temporarily)? Romans 14 23But the one who doubts...

@Illuminator here is a link to my new thread on Baptismal Regeneration.