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Lol....hold on. You believe that @Aunty Jane is a messenger of God's word and Jane never defiles it "through wrong interpretations."? Is that what you are saying John Paul???? Sooooo does that mean you and Jane agree on EVERY interpretation??? Curious Mary

Hi GG, I just to have some clarification here. The ECF's were not taught by the Apostles. The men that were taught by the Apostles are commonly called in theological circles as the "Apostolic Fathers". They would be Clement of Rome, Polycarp and Ignatius of Antioch. The ECF's would be Justin...

A messenger??? Of what? Are you contending that men DIDN'T see the Ark when they were making it???????

Riiiiiiiight.....I have it wrong but YOU rely on the Holy Spirit for the "truth"?????????? Sooooooo why is your truth different than @amigo de christo and @Nancy and Joe's down the street and Pastor Mikes at the Main Street Baptist Church and Pastor Carols truth at the Bible only Church and the...

Lol...well, not so true :rolleyes: At the African Episcopal Church of St. Thomas in Overbrook Park, congregants received Communion on Sunday, March 15, 2020, without getting out of their cars. The drive-through service Church offers drive-through Communion during coronavirus pandemic...

That is just bizarre to me. I wonder if the Vatican authorized any Catholic Churches to do that? I hope not....:( I can understand Protestant denominations doing that since it is only bread and wine to them...but I hope no Catholic churches did that. Sadly, they probably did. :(:mad:

I understand English quit well. What I don't understand is how you can say you adhere to the bible but you don't interpret it. How can you adhere to the law if you don't interpret the law???? That's fascinating to me....

I find it amusing that you find it amusing. For you see what you find amusing is what you have already said in a previous post....so that means you find your own words amusing....;)

Exactly....they were made by Gods command. But he also commanded us not to do it. Is he a hypocrite? Or are you saying as long as God commands us to violate the 2nd commandment then it's ok to violate it?

hi Jane, They worshiped the graven image they made. That is where they went wrong. If they had not worshiped the actual graven image they made then they would not have violated God's command. Do you really believe that when God said Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any...

Absolutly not true. Gods command to men to make graven images ie the Ark is not about seeing it. He tells us not to worship it (it being a graven image). That is where you are confused. Men had to see it to make it.

God authorized men to create graven images....that FACT is true. It is in Scripture. He does not authorize the WORSHIPING of those images. That is the point you are missing and where you are going wrong.

Thanks GG, There are other vs's other than 1 Corinthians: Rev. 21:27, II Maccabees 12:39-46, Matthew 5:24-25 that support the teaching. But I don't want to belabor this point. I agree with you on the ECF's not writing about it. It wasn't until late in the 2nd century we find Origen talking...

Thank you. I appreciate it. I still don't understand how you "adhere to the bible" but never interpret the bible. It's confusing to me but it's also something that I don't need to understand. Thank you for the explanation.

Thanks Jane, You are missing the point on the Ark. It's not about seeing the Ark. Its about how God ordered man to make the Ark. God ordered man to make a graven image when he ordered them to make the Ark. He also ordered men not to make graven images. So, once again, did God break his own...

I sincerely apologize JP. You responded to my post to Gary and that caused me to confuse the conversation. So let me try again: I asked you: WHO's teachings do you adhere to? You responded: I adhere to the Bible. I asked you: How do you KNOW you are adhering to the bible? You...

Omg...this is the first I have heard about it also. You are right GG...drive thru communion is silly....

Thanks Jane, So in Exodus 20 God commanded Moses to build the ARK of the Covenant, which would contain the presence of God and was to be venerated as the holiest place in all of Israel. Was that an "image for use in worship" and against Gods law?? What about in Numbers 21:8–9 whe God ordered...

And I never said that you said everyone was wrong. I said that Some read Scripture, interpret it to their own thinking and whoever disagrees with them well then the other person is wrong...not them. Soooooo how do you conflate that into me putting words in your mouth??? o_O YOU are not talked...

You crack me up Taken......always talking but never saying anything NOR do you quote Scripture to back up what you say NOR do you use Scripture to debunk anything I say. You are an interesting person..... Yes, I do beleive what Scripture says. Clerics are repsonsible for watching over our...