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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Even though we agree that it's symbolic, we don't agree on what it symbolizes. It seems that you agree that Revelation 19:11-21 refers to the same event as Revelation 20:9, right? If so, does that mean you don't see the description of the fire coming down from heaven in Revelation 20 as being...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    You sure don't act like it. You're always talking about AI and common sense and things like that as being the keys to understanding scripture. So what? Why should I care if people are thinking that the Holy Spirit is teaching them things when He is not? What does that have to do with me...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Why can't you be a Christian and at least tell me what I said that you had a problem with? Maybe you misunderstood something I said, for all you know? I truly have no idea of why you would react to my post the way you did.
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    That's your opinion, but if you're honest, you'd admit there's no way to prove that. If they could be deceived into thinking that the day of the Lord had already come, then why couldn't they be deceived into thinking the day of the Lord entailed something different than what Paul taught? He had...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Don't say stupid things like this. I'm arguing with your interpretations of what you think God's Word has said. Should I tell you to argue with God, not me, when I point out how ridiculous your interpretation of 2 Peter 3:10-12 is?
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Nothing. But, there's something very wrong with you that would lead you to say this: "There is absolutely nothing for Satan to do or focus or spend any effort on for those that do not believe in Jesus- they are lost.". Was my response to what you said too difficult for you to understand? How...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Translation: You don't think it's possible that the Holy Spirit can help you understand scripture. Which I already knew because of your reliance on AI and supposed "common sense", etc. What a joke.
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Okay, so you were just showing how Premils see Revelation 19 and 20 and forgot to specify that. Gotcha. I was confused at to how any Amil could see it that way.
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    LOL. I am done with you. Instead of taking an honest look at ALL of scripture, you have decided that there are only cherry picked scriptures that we can take into consideration. It is a colossal waste of time dealing with your biased nonsense. I'm not going to do it anymore.
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    Update on World System.

    I didn't say that already happened. Read what I said again, only carefully this time. Paul indicated that the end will come when Jesus comes. Therefore, Jesus reigns now and must continue to reign until He comes again, at which point He will deliver His kingdom to the Father. Premills try to...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    Update on World System.

    No, I have not. You are blinded by your Premill beliefs. Right, that text indicates end comes at Christ's coming and He delivers His kingdom that He has been reigning over to God the Father at that time. Not 1,000+ years later. Paul indicated that Christ was reigning then and must continue to...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    I disagree. That is an argument I've only ever seen from Premills before. Revelation 19 is full of symbolism. It's not talking about birds literally eating dead bodies, just as it's not talking about Jesus slaying people with a literal sword coming out of His mouth or literally treading people...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    Update on World System.

    You think that the Father is bringing the Son's enemies to His footstool, but that Jesus isn't reigning while He is doing that. But, Paul taught otherwise here... 1 Corinthians 15:23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Jesus quoted Zechariah 12:10 and Zechariah 13:7 in relation to His first coming as well. And even Premils understand that Zechariah 9:9 relates to His first coming.
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Why the great chain?

    That's what I'm saying. I said "some premills", not "most premils". Of course. I said "some premils", but I would say most premils do not believe he has a physical body. But, I've seen a few on this forum who believe that. You cared enough to comment on it, but okay.
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    Why the great chain?

    So you think, but his binding is not about being incapacitated, it's about keeping him from silencing the gospel and uniting people against the church, which is what he does when he is loosed (Revelation 20:7-9).
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Your second statement is completely false and just an unbelievable thing for any Christian to claim. Do you think he has no interest in continuing to deceive the lost in an effort to keep them from ever being saved? Of course he does. Ephesians 2:1 And you He made alive, who were dead in...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    Why the great chain?

    Do you not believe that demons/devils can literally possess people (literally enter into their bodies)? Scripture clearly teaches that.
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    Why the great chain?

    If you understood the reason why he is claiming that Satan has a body, then you wouldn't question why it is an issue for him to believe that. This thread asks why is the chain that binds the dragon, Satan, a great chain. Premils think of Satan's binding as a literal binding, as if he can be...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    The goats represent the resurrected wicked dead which are those whose names are not written in the book of life. Do you claim that the following verse won't be fulfilled until 1,000+ years after Jesus returns? Matthew 25:41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you...