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  1. Stranger

    Who Does The Father Draw?

    To GodsGrace concerning post #109 (sorry, tried to fix a double post and messed it up) Yes I disagree with limited atonement. But I hold to the doctrine of election. Predestination concerns an aspect of salvation after one is saved. The believer is being conformed into the image of Christ...
  2. Stranger

    Who Does The Father Draw?

    Well, perhaps it can be shown as it progresses that there is grace in it. Consider this. The world was full of people in Noah's day. Men, women, children, husbands, wives, sons, daughters, infants, adolescents, adults. Yet only Noah was seen as 'righteous' before God and thus his family...
  3. Stranger

    Who Does The Father Draw?

    Yes He did. And He never changes. That is correct. And He is just. And those who reject Christ's sacrifice will go to hell by their own choice. But though God in his judgement of them sends them to hell, He is still a God of love...correct? Stranger
  4. Stranger

    Who Does The Father Draw?

    Concerning (John 6:37), it is clear that "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me;". There is no way to interpret this any other way than the Father gives some. He is not saying the Father gives all. He says "All that the Father gives". But (John 6:37) is equally clear saying...
  5. Stranger

    Who Does The Father Draw?

    No offence taken at all. Election is a doctrine that should not be taught to new believers who have just come into the faith. Nor should it be pushed on those who reject it. This of course is why I say forums are not for new believers or for weak believers. Myself, I hold to election and...
  6. Stranger

    Who Does The Father Draw?

    I am certainly not anti-Catholic or anti-Romanist as I like to say. There are many Christians in the Roman Church. Many of their doctrines I will argue against just as I do many Protestant doctrines. As far as Calvinism, it is certainly wrong in the doctrine of 'limited atonement'. For...
  7. Stranger

    Love your enemies

    I would say concerning Israel entering the land, that God was not concerned with loving ones enemies. He was concerned with destroying the enemies and setting up his people Israel in the land. (Ecc. 3:1-3) "To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven:...A time to...
  8. Stranger

    Who Does The Father Draw?

    Appreciate the prayer. If this doctrine troubles your spirit to the degree that you spoke of in post #75, then I certainly don't want to discuss it with you, and push you away from God. And, your understanding of God is correct. The invitation is to all. Jesus Christ died for all. And...
  9. Stranger

    Who Does The Father Draw?

    'Pre-destination' is not the same thing as 'election'. Predestination always speaks to the believer being conformed into the image of Christ, (Rom. 8:29-30), and to the adult son adoption or placement. (Eph. 1:5) Election speaks to the believer being chosen in eternity past by God. (Eph. 1:4)...
  10. Stranger

    Who Does The Father Draw?

    Why do you ask this yet do not answer my post? I think this hatred you have of Calvinism has consumed you. Stranger
  11. Stranger

    Guns, Guns, Killing, and more Guns

    Sorry to hear things are so bad in your country. Indeed, once the guns are taken away, there will be an increase in lawlessness. Have you considered a crossbow? Or, are they illegal also. Stranger
  12. Stranger

    Love your enemies

    To Enoch111 and Boll Weevil Yall are asking questions that have been covered already in this thread. So, go back and reread and see if the answers are not there for you. I have gone through and picked out some that I think will address what you ask . #26, 30, 36, 37, 50, 55, 57, 61, 63...
  13. Stranger

    Guns, Guns, Killing, and more Guns

    My opinion here is this. If you believe you have to pull the gun, then you should plan on killing the person. You don't shoot for the arm or knee. You go for the chest area, the area of largest mass. Stranger
  14. Stranger

    Should A Minister Charge For His Ministry?

    I agree that at times even though preparation is made for a sermon or text in the Scripture, the Holy Spirit can lead for His reasons into another direction. Most certainly can. Stranger
  15. Stranger

    Who Does The Father Draw?

    You seem angry...are you? (John 6:37) is not my writing. You say I can't have it both ways, well then, cut (6:37) out of your Bible. For it addresses both ways. And I personally am glad it does. Both statements are true. All that the Father gives to the Son will come to Him. And anyone...
  16. Stranger

    Who Does The Father Draw?

    (John 6:44) "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." (John 6:37) "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." (John 12:32) And I, if I be lifted up from the...
  17. Stranger

    Should A Minister Charge For His Ministry?

    amadeus and ByGrace Yall seem to believe that if one spends time studying the Scriptures or preparing a teaching or preaching lesson, that he is void of the Holy Spirits use. Nothing is farther from the truth. Of course one may be trusting his studies only, and be like a Pharisee, and not...
  18. Stranger

    Love your enemies

    Yes, we follow Jesus. But, we follow what Jesus has given to the Church. And the 'Sermon on the Mount', which contains the command to 'love thy enemy' is not to the Church. It is to Israel concenring their coming Kingdom. It is the Laws of the Kingdom. The Laws of the Kingdom apply...
  19. Stranger

    Should A Minister Charge For His Ministry?

    If that is what you and the other church members want, that is fine. But, I can assure you, if your husband spoke 5 times a week for three hours, and worked all week long, he could not prepare adequately for what he wanted to say. In other words, no matter how great everyone thought it...
  20. Stranger

    Guns, Guns, Killing, and more Guns

    (Ps.27:3-5) "Though an host should encamp against me, my heart shall not fear: though war should rise against me, in this will I be confident. One thing have I desired of the LORD, that will I seek after; that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to behold the beauty of...