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Of course it is valid across all possible definitions. I already asked you to provide a sense where the terms are not mutually exclusive. @face2face , this exchange shows the trinitarian pattern. Ignore questions. Do laps on ground already covered. He supposes P1 and P2 are invalid on the...

No. This is very bad concept formation. God is "our father" in the sense he is THE creator. There is no sense in which God is NOT God. And there is no sense in which God is not THE creator. The syllogism is not trying to prove God is God or that God is THE creator. God. YHWH. Creator. Father...

That they have different definitions is irrelevant beyond the fact that the terms are mutually exclusive. Therefore, P1 and P2 remain valid. Not sure why you refuse to accept this simple syllogism other than its doctrinal implications.

No. The only God of the Bible, YHWH, the father is God and does not have a God. See 1st Commandment.

Friend, there are only 2nd class Christians.

Does it have to say begotten? You are a son. It is ambiguous whether you were begotten or not?

Many times. Daily.

No, you asked about the color of music. You are asking about 2 unrelated things - even if both beautiful. I have disdain for those who push the "born again" narrative because it is internal. Being a follower of Christ is external, for it is a matter of obedience to God's will. I primarily care...

Yup. Doesn't change the begotten sons of Genesis 6:1-4 and John 1:12. 1st borns are all the only begotten - until other children come around.

I thought the follow up question would be, 'what denomination?'

This is used as if it is a trinity verse. It doesn't say anything about the nature of God or that believing a tri-une nature of God is necessary to be saved.

Not at all. "throne O god" is short hand for OF God. Jesus has a God, who has a throne. Doesn't mean Jesus is God. Also, try reading the verses leading up to v 8, which further destroy the trinity idol as it says there has finally come a day with the boy, today, becomes his son. Profound.

Of course not! See Genesis 6:1-4. Not only were there other sons of God before Jesus, after him, we too are sons and daughter of God. See John 1:12 Another IDOL destroyed. There cannot be all these sons of God running around but one of them is the only begotten son. There are different senses...

P1 and P2 are both true, affirmed by Scripture. But since you bring it up, in what sense does father mean brother? And in what sense does brother mean father? This invokes the Law of Mutual Exclusion, regardless of a biological or non-biological sense of these words.

Do you know what eisegesis is? Imagine reading whatever you want into text. You use the word believe but suppose is more precise. Supposition is not a solid foundation for doctrine.

There are some fundamentalists who take every word of the Bible as literally true. This view denies the richness of hyperbole, which was part of literature and customs of the ancients, as well as communicate in highly figurative ways. I thought this thread could collect some of our favorites...

Begotten means created, as all sons are, by definition.

This is one of the most preposterous, patently anti-Scriptural and anti-logical claims I’ve read in a long time. Reading into God’s word whatever one feels is on display.

Enlighten me.

Yes, Jesus is beside God. This is what it means to be at God’s right hand.