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Yep. Adam ceased to have spiritual life the moment he sinned. And not only that. But all who are born or born having no life (spiritual) which is why they need born again. He did die. Actually he died twice on the cross.. And the second one, was of his own doing, If you read the text it says...

I think the father looked at the son with alot of Pride. that his son would suffer that horrific death for all of mankind.. While I would be sad. I would also have joy. because My son gave of himself for others. Which funny as it is, Is what God tells us to do.

Your Not listening, and I do believe this is why these debates get so tempered, and out of control. I am not debating that a person can not come to christ on their own. I never have, so when you come at me with a GOTCHA verses that do not even counter what I said. It is a waste of my time and...

If this was in total depravity meant, I may be able to agree. But as i showed above, it is more than this.. Again, it is not a complete explanation. It olso says God elects some to hell. Without give in them a chance. Neither of the passages you gave support this view. Again, this is not true...

Thats not what it says, it says man is so lost he would never come Total depravity asserts that as a consequence of the fall of man into sin, every person is enslaved to sin. People are not by nature inclined to love God, but rather to serve their own interests and to reject the rule of God...

I think Jesus said it better than I could. 10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly...

Your being confident in yourself not in Christ. You You You Where is HE HE HE Your confident in what you are doing, Not what He did. can you see the difference? Never said you did, again we have been through this. Give it a try. Come one, I have addressed this to you multiple times. Did...

Yes, We have been through this 100 times, true believers WILL do good works. No he did not.. Yes, why do they not produce fruit, they were not saved. Once again, GODS CHILDREN DO GOOD WORKS.. Maybe not the same amount, But they works. Again, Paul was confident God who began a good work would...

Because the BIBLE tells me it was, you know. the word that says it is inspired by God? THE BIBLE TOLD ME SO. The apostles spoke or were inspired what to write. I can trust the bible. I can not trust anyone outside the bible. don;t try to do what the catholics and jews both did and try to...

I could do that, But how about this Jesus said in john 3, 2 times, Do this (believe or have faith) You will NEVER PERISH (die) and you will have ETERNAL LIFE so 2 times in this passage, he related eternal life to the fact we will never die. And this is in context with being born again, ie...

this shows a poor understanding of the cross. 1. The wage of sin is death (its not physical death, if it was, everyone who physically died. paid for their own sins) it is spiritual death 2. Jesus died spiritually on the cross. (My God My God why have you forsaken me0 in fact, he said it is...

He who believes (has faith) is not condemned he who does not believe (have faith) is condemned already. not sure what people make this so hard. its not rocket science

Yes, He makes the rules Salvation is a gift. He is offering it to you. Recieve it in faith. He will save you. And through that gift, perfect you forever while he goes on sanctifying you. And you can be confident that he who began a good work in you will complete it Or you can not recieve it...

It says they will not bear fruit, it does not say they will lose salvation Jesus said they would never die, they have eternal life. They will never hunger or thirst. You have jesus contradicting himself. If jesus can not even get his own story straight, I need to walk away. Because my...

How do you know where you there? Again, the roman church destroyed any document that did not agree with them. So I would not trust any document outside of the word of God. Again, Look at the history of the jews and when they used extra biblical test to prove their theories.. They got it wrong...

Then it does not last forever. You do not tell someone they can keep something forever, unless it is forever. You tell them instead they can have something as long as they do this or that (meet the standard) You never call something forever that is not forever

Says the one who takes whatever he is told as gospel truth. don’t attack my understanding when you do not even have your own understanding.. Nope. This is not true. Paul went to peter james and John who were heads of the church in Jerusalem Jesus never sent any of the disciples out on their...

The jews said they followed God because Abraham was their father. Hey you want to make the same mistake. Feel free. I chose to be like the bereans and not even take pauls word for it. But to test the scriptures to make sure paul was teaching correctly.

All I see here is your view. You keep saying they are inspired. Where is it inspired. Chapter and verse.. You saying it is the word. And others saying it is not, is not helping. You claim it is, Back your statement

I did this years ago. I have done it many times over, And in non of my reading do I see biblical support.