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I saw it as the way people misinterpret the bible to include themselves based on a faulty reading of the text.

And when you try to close the loophole...accusations of inventing a new theology arise. Strange how everything gets turned upside down like that. :)

Good one John! The blood of Jesus is alive..like His Spirit. In fact these ARE THE SAME. And check out the word remission...it is actually freedom from sin.

But people are not looking for freedom from sin...they rather seek an immunity from judgment for sin. The biblical verses concerning Jesus' sacrifice are rendered to mean that very thing. Eisegesis...

If someone hits you for no reason...you are bearing their sin on your body. That's what happened to Jesus. He took all the evil we could dish out on Himself. He took our ignorance, intolerance, cruelty, injustice...etc... all these are marked on His body. I'm sure you see it as something...

Not on Jesus... John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me. But on us...we were married to the old nature...and under the power of sin...which is the reigning force of the devil. We were in darkness...and the king of darkness...

Out from the bondage of sin. And whoever sins is a slave of sin....and the devil. If I want to purchase...say, a classic car, in order to free it from a "bad owner" so to speak...I pay the price to redeem it from the old owner. Then the old owner has no more authority and the car is now in my...

Yes...but many believe that we have been redeemed away from an angry God. That Jesus had to die to buy us away from a hateful God. Actually an angry god....the god of this world. God is love.

I know the truth upsets man-made theologies. It seems that very basic truth is so strange sounding to they who have become accustomed to eating at the table of human traditions that good is seen as evil and evil as good. Same as it ever was. The irony is that you don't see what side of history...

So then who did Jesus purchase, with His blood, His church from? (and all creation)... from whom are we redeemed from? A- the ruler of this world? B- the living God?

This is not correct if you mean that He was our personal sacrifice. Jesus took on our sinfulness and evil upon Himself. Jesus suffered and died based on what we consider as peace. We do things in error. We do things backwardly...self-interestedly. But the death of Jesus purchased God's...

That's exactly what I'm doing...placing the meaning of all the verses in the light of the Spirit AND all the other verses in the bible. So I'm doing double duty here. But if you mean in the context of what is best for the self-interest of men...I reject that context.

This doesn't mean that God has the greater sin...does it? (If one thinks it was God that put Jesus on the cross) How far above was it? So then this shows my point. That he who turned over Jesus did so in sin...not by the will of God...although God permitted it because of His divine strategy...

Never said he did. But will you deny that Jesus shed His blood here on earth under the dominion of Satan? Do you deny that Jesus really died? (bodily speaking of course) I see...as usual...a quick response without taking the trouble to look up what I spoke of. And people wonder why I ignore...

I am hoping that people will see the verse I am posting as being from the bible. it isn't hard to read the bible. The difficulty is to understand it. And once a person gets the wrong idea...the error follows more error...just as the truth follows more truth. Ephesians 2:8-9 8 For by grace are...

Have you ever heard of martyrs? Is God not pleased that people remain His witnesses unto death? Is it death that repels you? Or glory? Who kills (sacrifices) martyrs? God? The devil? Do you know? All this is true. Tactically true. But you are missing the strategy of God behind all this...

The statement made that created thousands of denominations. Can you say...Babel!? Understanding comes from the Spirit and comparing spiritual things with spiritual things. It can get easy...if one is honest. But self-interest is the primary motivation behind most of modern "exegesis." We have...

Actually heavenly power being proclaimed and entered into by faith. How else can God's people overcome the world...certainly not in their own strength.

In the real world I posted this thread based on a misappropriation of the meaning of a text...turning the truth of God into a lie. I used actual bible verses....just go back to the beginning of this thread to see if those verses are still there. I also showed how people get the verses wrong...

For they who would want to better understand God's ways...and not remain ignorant of the devil and his ways... A lesson in logic... Does God love righteousness? Yes Does God love His only Son? Yes Is God well pleased with His Son? Yes Does God hate the world? No. God is love Is God angry...