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AHA! :) Salvation is not on whoever believes they are saved. There is a judgment day coming where even they who say Lord Lord are in danger of rejection. So then if salvation is arbitrarily on whoever believes they are saved by their beliefs about Jesus...then we have the confusion and lack of...

There's a lot of that thing going around these days...I mean getting somebody wrong, even exactly backwards! :)

If a person gets murdered on the street, the common man will not feel justified by the killing. Only the killer will justify the death of the victim. That's why he killed him. He felt justified to do so. God appeased the god of this world through the death of Jesus. But with God things are...

The god that was being propitiated was not almighty God...but the god of this world. The devil demanded the death of Jesus. God USED that demand to buy back His creation back to Himself. Hiding in the humanity of Jesus was the divinity that cannot die. So death was overcome by His resurrection...

The deviation is from the true meaning of the message from God...from intended life to death. From what is light in the Lord to becoming darkness.

The cup of Jesus blood...is connected to Jesus...to His life...not His death. It is poured out for all....but it is poured out from life, not death. Jesus compares that drink to drinking the fruit of the vine. He is the vine. If the vine is dead...there can be no fruit from it to drink from.

The truth is that when WE take Jesus' shed blood for ourselves...we are only proving that we are guilty of sin. We killed Jesus...and we are still doing it...if we justify ourselves through death. We bring death...but God brings life. Do we see that the religion we have created around Jesus...

Salvation is about life...not death (of course one must pass through death to see life). The wages of sin is death. But the gift of God is life....eternal life. God is not a God of death. In Him...is life. Rom. 5:18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in...

Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. "Justified by His blood"....What does this mean? Or this.... Romans 3:25 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the...

With this thread I hope to bring light and clarity to an issue that few ever consider as a problem..that is..how by adding in our own understanding (without a further thought about it) we can invert the meaning of the bible from being truth into becoming a lie. I am not speaking of a willful...

Oh please. What kind of reasoning is this? It is self-justification to think we sin better than non-believers. But the opposite of what you say is true. Only believers can sin spiritually....as well as carnally. With more faculties comes more ways to sin. Of course we are to walk in the...

I don't think that the bible is a book that makes too many overtly obvious statements. There is a lot of mystery involved. I think it works more like...when a person has the right attitude and understanding...the bible makes sense. Of course there are man-made constructs that SEEM to make sense...

Gregory of Nyssa: In order to secure that the ransom in our behalf might be easily accepted by him who required it, the Deity was hidden under the veil of our nature, that so, as with ravenous fish, the hook of the Deity might be gulped down along with the bait of flesh, and thus, life being...

To respond with evil for good.....hatred for love. They hated Jesus for no reason. You do realize that Jesus was innocent of any crime yet they crucified Him. John 15:18-27 18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

To fall on Himself. God is not a masochist. God permitted these things to befall Him. Try to understand that the Lord and the Father are One....the Father did not do anything to the Son...the Son laid His own life down. John 10:18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have...

He suffered the contradictions of sinners.

I don't think that authority is understood very well in the church. How did we inherit Adam's sin in the first place? How do we begin in Adam? Through the surrendered authority of Adam to the devil by disobedience to God and the devil replacing Adam as the lord over this world. Consequently we...

You aren't getting the idea that Jesus took OUR abuse...the hatred of a Cain against an Abel. Not God's abuse. Did God kill Abel? No, Cain did. You have a locked in "idée fixe" based on a hypnotic spell from listening to preachers of the heretical notion. You have simply been indoctrinated...

That's what evil men did to Jesus...not God. You have some confusion going on there... God allowed the devil to play his hand...in His weakness He still defeated the devil. God outmaneuvered the devil to bring life to mankind...eternal life and this through the resurrection of the Lord.

But always as a father who chastens his own son. Chastening is with love that sees to the maturing of the one being chastened. God is love.