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  1. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Yes, father is a relationship. Look it up. A person is a father only in relationship to off spring. Don't confuse hyperbole with reality. What human name is above all human names? Jesus. However, God is above him. 1 COR 11:3 the head of Christ is God. Also notice the exception. Why is there...
  2. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Like us, God speaks words. There is nothing mystical about it. "The word" is merely a reference to the words God speaks. Are we saved by God or his words?
  3. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Well, "father" is a relationship not a name. His name is YHWH. See Ex 3:15 and Joel 2:27 I am Yahweh your God, and there is no other
  4. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    No. Verses 14 and 15 confirms Jesus is the prophet Moses told them about, where God's words would be put in the mouth of one of the people he choose. See v 45.
  5. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    No. I would say that words are attributes of a person. A word is no more a person than a hand, a will, a spirit to overcome, etc. Scripture says Jesus is the son of God, not the son of the word. God's words are no more another person than our words are another person. The POTUS's press secretary...
  6. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    I was addressing the oneness claim. They cannot be one, while at the same time only one of them is God.
  7. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Again, no. It says the word was made flesh, not that God was made flesh. This fulfills Deuteronomy 18:15-18, which says nothing about God incarnate but rather that God will put his word into one of the people that he chooses.
  8. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Posting more translations does not strengthen your argument one little bit. It's not that any of these translations are wrong but anyone reading Jesus into John 1:1 is a fraud. It's simply not there. Let me ask you this, which I am sure I already have. If your take on John 1:1 is correct, why...
  9. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Eisegesis. Christ is most certainly not ‘the word’ and not one verse in all of Scripture makes this claim.
  10. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    You are deliberately confusing generic types of life forms with a specific, Supreme Being, whose name is YHWH - not Jesus.
  11. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    An assertion contrary to Scripture.
  12. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Scripture tells us represent that Jesus is a man, human. Being a son, Jesus is a created Being.
  13. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    You believe this is an accurate translation?
  14. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Anti-Scriptural. Jesus died, proving he is not eternal. And there is no ‘God, the Son’ verse. Finally, why is it important to believe in the trinity, according to Scripture? Since the trinity is not in Scripture, why believing the trinity is important is not in Scripture.
  15. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Agreed.
  16. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Concisely stated. I look forward to his mental gymnastics response.
  17. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    There is no logical refuting this. All they can do is Appeal to Dualism.
  18. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Only one is explicitly called God, not ‘in spirit’ but actuality. In fact, it is explicitly taught ‘there is one God, the Father.’ It is difficult to imagine a stronger anti-trinitarian statement. I challenge you to come up with a stronger anti-trintarian statement in as few a words.
  19. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Jesus cannot be Creator of all things AND the son, which is a created being, by definition. Given that Jesus is not equal to God in rank, he is not equal to God.
  20. Wrangler

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Does that make John God also?