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I would include the angels there, yes. Why not? As I have pointed out before, not every second coming passage contains all of the same details about that event. Maybe by "this verse" you weren't talking about Revelation 19 and were talking about 2 Thess 1:7-8 instead? I mentioned both passages...

If you keep your eyes on Jesus, as I said we should be doing, then you will be aware of what He warns us about. Hello? You are WRONG to say our focus should be on JERUSALEM. It should be on JESUS, as I said. That is a FACT. You are extremely foolish and almost completely lacking in spiritual...

Nope. Matthew 25:31-46 has not yet happened, but will happen when Jesus comes in the future with His angels. No one has yet appeared before the judgment seat of Christ. Jesus Himself made it clear that all people will be gathered AT THE SAME TIME to appear before Him.

You didn't answer the question you were asked about God being a respecter of persons. Why would God ensure the salvation of everyone in one nation (Israel) and not any other nation? That would make Him a respecter of persons, but scripture repeatedly says that He is not a respecter of persons in...

2 Peter 3:3 knowing this firs that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.....9 The Lord is not slack...

That's what I ask these dispensationalists often, but they have no answer because they insist on contradicting God's character instead of accepting the truth of this matter. If God decided to save everyone in one nation like Israel then He would save everyone from all nations because, as you...

Wonderful promises that God made even more wonderful, but you would prefer to set limitations on God's promises rather than allowing Him to expand them beyond what they originally seemed to be (see Hebrews 11:8-16).

Right. We may not agree on the details of these things, but I fully agree that the 3 woes that correspond with the last 3 trumpets are God's wrath while the woe mentioned in Revelation 12:12 is Satan's wrath. But, you can't expect people like @Douggg and @Trekson to understand such simple things...

LOL. It's funny how the ones with the least amount of spiritual discernment ignore those who they could learn from if only you were teachable.

Great job, Douggg. Continue believing falsehood instead of being teachable and learning something. You spend who knows how many hours on these forums spewing false doctrine and you never learn anything. What a waste of your time. I'll be better of not wasting time on you.

Yes, you would love to run away and hide instead of learning anything. No surprise.

Yes, go ahead and ignore the truth that you're shown by those who actually understand the book of Revelation and continue to interpret scripture in your carnal, hyper-literal, hyper-futurist, scripture twisting, non-discerning fashion if you insist.

Says the guy who is incapable of making a coherent argument using scripture. Okay, just keep misinterpreting every verse you read then, if you insist.

Again, it doesn't say "THE great tribulation". How are you coming to the conclusion that it's talking about a time period after the seals and vials? Are you somehow not aware that the book of Revelation is not just an account of chronological events that happen in the future (from now)? The book...

I'm sorry, but that is the kind of argument Premils use. It's not convincing. The sword of His mouth is a figurative reference, but the passages about Him coming with fire are literal. Revelation 19:11-21 does not refer to the literal way that Jesus will destroy His enemies, which will be by...

LOL. That's all you can say in response. Weak. As if your timeline charts are any more than a complete joke? It does you no good to create timeline charts, obviously. They are embarrassing (for you). You have the 7th trumpet/3rd woe events starting at the same time as the 5th trumpet/1st woe...

This is what caused the translation discussion that I had with PinSeeker. Which translation to trust? You trust the KJV on this, but I don't. So be it. Hebrews 9: (NKJV) 18 Therefore not even the first covenant was dedicated without blood. 19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the...

Says the guy who places the order of the 5th, 6th and 7th trumpets in the order of 7, 5, 6 (and the order of the three woes as 3, 1, 2)! LOL! No, YOU can't be serious. We're talking about the most highly symbolic book in all of scripture and you think I can't be serious by interpreting the time...

That's nice, but how do you interpret it exactly? Do you think it is already fulfilled or already has started to be fulfilled? Do you agree that it portrays all people being gathered before Jesus at the same time rather than over the course of time? Of course not. The fates of all the people...