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True. The idea is more that we were unknowingly slaves of the devil...not because he forced us...but because that is all we knew. We identified ourselves to his ways. He had us fooled completely. And His trickeries continue in they that still have not learned to know themselves. So then the...

Yes. He offered Himself up to evil men in order to take the hatred of the outward man, which is conformed to selfishness and wickedness, onto Himself. He offered Himself as a lamb among wolves. And He bids us do the same.

Sinning in the flesh is one thing but misrepresenting God is far worse. It's a deeper sin. Just look at how Jesus reacted to the religious status people of His day...compared with the sinners and prostitutes. Will not carnal sinners get into the kingdom quicker than those who claim to be saved...

Too true. But your eloquence and truth will be lost on some here. For God so judged the world???? But these can condemn others while being themselves immune from the same judgment of sinners through a self-righteousness religious status...of course! As in...who cares what happens to...

Yes...as in....the soul that sins...it shall live. Didn't the devil say..."you won't die!" It's all just peace and prosperity! Many see grace as a free pass on sinning. It is called "the gospel OF grace." The real gospel is the gospel ACCORDING to grace. This confusion is due to seeing grace...

Agreed. But God sees better than we do. We are still in the race. It's like being children in our parents' car and we saying ..."are we there yet?" So I'm with you in an earnest expectation of a return into the Spirit. But I also realize there are things to learn about in being humble and...

Nancy if it was up to me...we would all be walking in a miraculous power with newsmen following our every step...with mass conversions and mass worship times. :) But we live in a world where God runs the show. And He is after something specific. Our role in all this is to find...even seemingly...

And that is why this isn't about what we feel about the truth. Letting the truth speak of itself is beneficial. Making comments that have to do with personal advantage or not is counter-productive. So I maintain that what I am testifying of is the truth and fully supported by the word....and...

Hey Nancy! :) If we still have growing to do...then we may be being LED by the Spirit...as in following Jesus from close. But I will maintain that being IN Jesus is beyond following Jesus....it is to not lack anything. It is to put on the new man in the perfect humanity walk of Jesus. It is a...

I don't follow your reasoning... What does that have to do with this thread?

Question: Do I need to feel good about myself when exposed to the truth? Is it wrong to hate myself and my own ways and weaknesses (actually carnal strengths)? Isn't it better to judge ourselves now rather than to be judged later by God? If we would depart from iniquity and seek the Lord...

I see that your momentary weakness brought out the selfish nature in some on this thread. It exposed the motive as something that makes people feel good about themselves...as in...if you feel bad because of the truth then the problem is with the truth. Or worse yet...somebody who is speaking the...

Your conjecture just muddies the water here. You are being obscure and seem to be encouraging the flesh. Since you only use your own quotes and nothing biblical...the shades of meaning seem to be going the wrong way. What does that even mean...He gets the victory either way??? That is as false...

As long as people are seeking to save themselves...rather than to lose their lives as Jesus counsels us to do...people will miss out on the wonders of the kingdom. Instead these will remain in the wonders of this world or the wonders of the flesh. You can't have it both ways. Notice what Jesus...

And this is an outright lie of course. You are just exposing the selfish nature of your own beliefs here. Does the truth serve man as you want it to?...or are we to submit to the truth...as uncomfortable as that may sound? Read the bible for yourself. And try actually quoting what is written...

We can't go changing the truth because it may be taken wrong. Everything can be taken wrong. Every human reasoning seems to make the bible to be at a loss. So your reasoning is backwards. You aren't even using the bible. You are relying on your own human reasoning to defend the human reasoning...

Are we in bondage to God? Or the devil? The devil wants his due...and as long as we live for ourselves, we are his. God cannot depart from His holiness to accommodate sinners. So we need to be rescued. We are the ones who are bondage to our own instincts, sins and nature. What is to be satisfied...

Jesus took onto Himself the iniquity of us all. In other words Jesus exposed our iniquity by how we treated Him that knew no sin and loved us into existence. So the idea can be very easily reversed to sound like Jesus was used by God to bear our sins. No, He bore our sins because that is how...

In the NT the Greek word translated as "propitiation" is "hilasterion" which is used in the Septuagint OT to mean "mercy seat." The appeasement idea is a pagan one...of mollifying an angry god. Unless you see Christianity as a pagan religion. God has mercy on whom He wills. The sacrifices in...

A typical half truth. Look at what the bible actually says... 2 Tim. 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God stands sure, having this seal, The Lord knows them that are his. And, let every one that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity. So we have here the dual polarity of the New...