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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    WHAT????? CHURCH FATHERS WERE PRETRIB ???

    Did you not even read the post you were responding to where covenantee referenced Matthew 21:12 and showed how you must read it... Matthew 21:12 Jesus went into his body, and cast out all them that sold and bought in his body, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    WHAT????? CHURCH FATHERS WERE PRETRIB ???

    So, now you have decided to try to find some other way to deny what Revelation 14:14 indicates. You saw that your argument that Jesus can't be described as one like the Son of Man doesn't hold water, so now you're trying something else to make the verse say what you want it to say. In that...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    When Jesus returns at the last trumpet, death will be swallowed up in victory and there will then be no more death, which will fulfill Isaiah 25:8.

    Why don't you ask John this question when you see him? He applied Isaiah 25:8 to the time when eternity is ushered in (Revelation 21:4) when there will literally be no more death ever again at that point. Do you understand that events in prophecy books like Isaiah are not always fulfilled in...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    My personal eclectic view

    Do you understand that God blinded some of the Jews only temporarily to ensure that Jesus would be killed as a sacrifice for the sins of the world, as He came to do? If He hadn't done that, then they wouldn't have killed Him. The other purpose of their temporary blindness was so that the gospel...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    The only source of life and the fallacy of a 'dead' human spirit being 'quickened from death'

    I already read that post and I honestly think it's a complete joke and a blatant twisting of the text. The verse clearly refers to 3 different parts of a human being. The spirit, the soul and the body. The verse is very straightforward. When scripture speaks of the Holy Spirit it refers...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

    True. I was reading Colossians 3 today and it says this... Colossians 3:1 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God. 2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For you died, and your life is...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

    How do you define the word immortal or immortality? Here is a definition from a dictionary: adjective: living forever; never dying or decaying I agree with this definition of the word, but you apparently do not because you apparently believe that someone with immortality can be...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

    I think it could mean that, but scripture indicates that the sun will no longer exist at that point, so if there is still time then it won't be as we know it now where time is based on So, I see no reason to to see verses 4-6 as a parentheses in that case. Verses 4 through 6 also tell us when...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    When Jesus returns at the last trumpet, death will be swallowed up in victory and there will then be no more death, which will fulfill Isaiah 25:8.

    What does that even mean? This is the kind of vague thing people say when they don't want to accept what scripture is saying. Paul was referencing the fulfillment of Isaiah 25:8 in 1 Corinthians 15:54. That's a fact. You are trying to get around that, which is just sad to witness. So what...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    When Jesus returns at the last trumpet, death will be swallowed up in victory and there will then be no more death, which will fulfill Isaiah 25:8.

    You are apparently not reading Hebrews 11:39-40 carefully at all, so let's look at it again. Hebrews 11:39 And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise, 40 God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    The post-trib rapture will occur on the day that Jesus will come "to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe"

    Why is that? Can't you just straightforwardly respond to the straightforward points I made in my post? You are so vague with your comments that it makes it impossible to have a reasonable discussion with you. Stop playing games. Deal with what is actually written in the text of 2 Thessalonians...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Overview time line chart of the 7 years

    Yes. Do you need a definition of the word? Not literally. That's what symbolic means. You do know that much of Bible prophecy is symbolic, don't you? Are you somehow unaware that there is a good amount of symbolism within the book of Zechariah? Zechariah 4:1 Then the angel who talked with me...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    The only source of life and the fallacy of a 'dead' human spirit being 'quickened from death'

    I'm waiting for you to acknowledge that human beings are made up of body, soul and spirit, as scripture teaches in verses like 1 Thessalonians 5:23 and Hebrews 4:12. Until you understand that, you will continue to believe the falsehood that you are promoting by claiming that a person can't have...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Maybe I Am Not Understanding the Post Tribulation Rapture. - Can You Help?

    You don't think Matthew 25:1-13 is prophecy? It most certainly is. It's a prophecy related to the future second coming of Christ when He comes for His bride (the church). A parable can also be a prophecy. It's a prophecy that is given using figurative text (the five wise virgins figuratively...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    The only source of life and the fallacy of a 'dead' human spirit being 'quickened from death'

    That's what I said and I meant it 100%. I think I was pretty clear. You continue to not address my arguments, so why should I address yours? You refuse to acknowledge the fact that human beings have a body, a soul and a spirit, as verses like 1 Thessalonians 5:23 and Hebrews 4:12 indicate. As...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

    No, that's incorrect. I'm perfectly capable of following explanations of beliefs that I disagree with if they are explained clearly. I happen to believe that you are sometimes not very good at explaining some of the things you believe very clearly (and sometimes you do explain what you believe...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    Overview time line chart of the 7 years

    LOL. No one. What don't you understand about the fact that I don't interpret Zechariah 14:4 the way you do, Douggg? Just like you don't interpret 2 Peter 3:10-13 the way I do. You think Zechariah 14:4 has Jesus coming to the earth and standing on the mount of Olives when He returns, but that...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    When Jesus returns at the last trumpet, death will be swallowed up in victory and there will then be no more death, which will fulfill Isaiah 25:8.

    The truth he was stating is that Isaiah 25:8 applies to the body of Christ because he applied it to the body of Christ in 1 Corinthians 15:50-54. And all believers from all-time are in the body of Christ. Anyone who is not in the body of Christ is not saved and will spend eternity in the lake of...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    When Jesus returns at the last trumpet, death will be swallowed up in victory and there will then be no more death, which will fulfill Isaiah 25:8.

    All believers from all time will have the same inheritance. You remain mistaken. God's promises apply equally to the OT saints and NT saints. Hebrews 11:39 And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise, 40 God having provided something better for...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    WHAT????? CHURCH FATHERS WERE PRETRIB ???

    The nerve of those people trying to buy and sell things in His body. They got what they deserved for that.