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KJV Acts 13:42, 44 42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them next Sunday. Sabbath. 44 And next Sunday Sabbath came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

No, not all trinitarians. I think there are likely more versions of the trinity than they're are versions of "I did it my way". :rolleyes:

You said we ought not ignore explicit texts, so how about focusing on those texts which declare, even from the Father's own lips, the Sonship of Jesus? A Sonship of the highest order. Not one of creation, not one of adoption, but a Son in the highest sense, a Son as you say, chosen, as Creator...

In as much as their writings testify to Christ for those who read them today and were a witness to those living at that time, yes, they called for the souls of those God gave them responsibility for. But they themselves are dead. Waiting the resurrection and at that time be reunited with their...

Can we discover what is truth by rejecting that which it is not?

Amen brother. Gaan die alle swartes.

The questions I'm asking J are really rhetorical. I'm hoping f2f and company will actually look at the issues and questions with some biblical literacy. I mean, I asked f2f who is the individual referenced in Genesis 18:1, the scripture names the individual, the LORD, and f2f says angel...

It is the Spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing:

And the LORD (Yehovah) appeared unto him (Abraham) in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; Who is this? Did God wear large aviator sunglasses so Abraham couldn't see His face?

Read my last posts...I do happen to disagree with you. I firmly believe Christ pre-existed Bethlehem. As Johann and I have mentioned, the Angel of the LORD is the Son. Not a created angel, but archangel... Literally head of the angels. Just a president Biden is chief of the armed forces, but it...

It is fair when considering the fact that the bulk of Christianity today minimizes death as merely a separation, not realizing that separation from the only source of life means death. It is accepted by trinitarians that because Jesus is an inseparable equal part of the trinity, and it's...

I have always known you believed Christ to be a created being. I have no idea why you would think otherwise, and I certainly have not claimed otherwise.

Gabriel was prominent in interpreting Daniels visions, and received assistance from Michael 'the Prince' when working on the minds of the Persian rulers

He's not the Lord's messenger? The Word of God?

Mmm. Except that's nothing to suggest in scripture that Gabriel is an archangel. How many heads do they need?

In the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses...

Jesus, Lord of Hosts. Archangel... Head of the angels. That's why

Uurghh.

Oh, I'm going to upset absolutely everybody and go further. That Angel of the Lord's name... Michael.

Excellent. Exactly what I saw without all the detail. Cheers.