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Okay, so this is weird. There's a debate here between two sides basically. Those who don't believe Jesus is God/antitrinitarians, and those who do/trinitarians. And here I am getting likes from both sides,! Yet I'm not getting sore from straddling a fence. I don't have a foot in both camps. I...

Why not? Would not the life that the Son received from His Father be the Father's life... Therefore eternal and naturally of the same essence as His Father's? Now, as I said before, I don't discuss the nature of God. So the above is as far as I go. Like begets like. That was God's way from the...

Jesus was born in the likeness of sinful flesh... As you say, carnal nature with all it's weaknesses. And yes, He could have sinned if He had so chosen. Agreed. But that word propensities, our propensities are evil. His propensities were to enoble, heal, uplift and save humanity. I believe there...

Just as an adjunct, we also, in the same manner Christ did, through faith and self sacrifice, can reveal the character of the Father and show forth How glory to the world, through Christ in us, the hope of glory.

That doesn't answer my question. If Jesus was not God begotten, then what was He? What did God beget if not an offspring... Like begetting like... Of Himself? And way before creation as scripture declares loudly, Christ being Creator.

"But unto the Son He saith, Thy throne O God..." The Son claimed to be the Son of the Father, for which almost the entire Jewish leadership wanted Him killed. Yet they all claimed to be children of God. As do we all. No. What Jesus was claiming, and the Jews knew, was far and above anything...

There are statements such as the above, and below, that I like, although in order to fully endorse them I would need to know what precisely you mean by "like those", and "sin prone nature". You see, I agree that Christy had to be fully human in order to die, and in order to know what it is like...

Oh? Then what is He? Cannot God beget God?

Okay. I can live with that.

It is the Lord Himself who is the consuming fire which devours sin and those who cleave to it. And there are some who stand in the midst of it and survive.

It's very telling that your principle concern is how to discipline people. While I have some sympathy for you in regards to being an active member of a local church, the motives for being so go a little deeper than having a club to police the naughty.

I think at first consideration I can agree with much of the above, but can not accept the statement that Jesus needed redemption on the basis of His human nature. I know this opens a Pandora box of other issues, the most important being the question... Are we sinners because we sin, or do we sin...

Is it possible that you and others also have that bias when giving consideration to the relationship between Father and Son? As may we all? I have shifted my stance on the trinity issue a couple of times. Once staunch trinitarian, without knowing not studying why, I was introduced to other...

There was an Aussie guy used to chat here regularly a year or so ago, he had the exact same idiosyncracy. I am not sure if it was a physical thing like yours, or dyslexia or just Google. But like Cassandra says with yours, always a signature dish on the menu. :)

I will stop you right there. The scripture itself is it's own authority. KJV Isaiah 8:20 20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them As for the bread.... See my signature below. .

And what was that cup that Christ drank on behalf of mankind? KJV Revelation 14:10 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels...

Loud words also my friend without scripture. I know you have posted scripture before, and there is much in what you sayi agree with. For example the following... I agree that the Son, while on earth, had no divine attributes of His own to depend on. He lived by faith, everything He knew...

KJV Exodus 34:5-7 5 And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD. 6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, 7 Keeping mercy for...

God has chosen to use His word to recreate man in His image... To sanctify. It is the only means by which man can be changed.

What did Rome do to the Albigenses, presuming they were in error, in order to reveal to them the true gospel and lead them to Christ?