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Certain ones have rejected The Truth.....the natural consequence is death. Life does not exist apart from God. Deliberate sustained distancing from life/ truth results in death. Death is not an arbitrary judgement....it is a consequential fact

I have come to slowly learn that change is related to how I see. I have discovered that from taking note of what Jesus emphasised. For the most part, the closer I get to him the stronger or the most obvious my sin appears to myself and I need to do battle with the accusing voices.....and that...

Not intending to distract but I would like to throw in these thoughts regarding the use of words and mental pictures they invoke. The words 'paid' and 'penalty'; it appears they are connected in how we think about them. How are we to process these in our understanding? Here are some options...

@Phoneman777 Have you ever wondered if Moses had an opinion on the Trinity or what Noah thought about baptism? It probably doesn't matter but what it does do is allow reflection on a perspective outside of what is deemed right and acceptable.

I thought this link was a meaningful well thought through discourse.

Have you considered that it is possible to be 'biblically' correct yet relationally distanced from God?.....and visa versa, one can have their understanding of doctrine in a muddle but their hearts are in the right place.

We all fall short in many things. I suppose that's why it's a good idea not to assume the role of teacher. We ask for greater understanding and God usually teaches us from our own experience. We are to keep our ears and eyes open before we engage our mouth with half baked knowledge.

It is an awakening tl_p. ....and just as in a physical birth in that it is the beginning of understanding, so is this awakening to learning a new reality. For some it is a marked event, for others it is by 'osmosis'; they can't really put their finger on when it started.....but it is just as real.

You sound like you consider yourself some sort of a judge with your demands. If you are incapable of reading between the lines of what I've written and drawing an accurate conclusion, how will you ever read between the lines of what Moses wrote?

Swords are carried in the hand not the mouth. How then are we to understand the sword in the mouth metaphor? Isn't it the word of truth?

Moses was resurrected at some point after his death. I draw that conclusion from him appearing on the Mt of Transfiguration with Elijah....so I guess he was resurrected well before those who were resurrected at and with the resurrection of Jesus.

It was Moses who wrote these accounts and God gets held responsible for these happenings as he is for other happenings. Moses saw God as an uber Pharaoh. Do you know what I mean by that? Just as Moses thought God was responsible so the people thought Moses was responsible.....for not having...

No, not in the desert but rather at the resurrection of Jesus. Matthew 27:52

You do not understand the context of figure/ symbol I doubt it. Then you have an unstable Jesus.....schizophrenic?......and an unstable God......one you need to appease because you never know when you're going to cop it.

It is a misunderstanding and a misapplication. Consider what these words of Jesus might mean... John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. John 16:8-11 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of...

ohhh? you don't think Moses was and those whose graves were opened and came out when Jesus was resurrected?

FYI, 'first born' means preeminent. It doesn't mean he/she who is physically born first. Example; Esau was born first but Jacob was preeminent.....Ishmael was the first son of Abraham but Issac was preeminent.

whatever answer I give you T77, I doubt you'll be content unless I quack as you do but I will say this, The purpose of scripture is to testify to Jesus with Jesus being the full revelation of what God is like, ie his character..... which ultimately was shown on Calvary. When we come across...

Ask yourself this question, would God condemn the methods of the enemy and then use the same tactics?