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Denying the Cross: How to do it A faulty reference point results in faulty conclusions! Do we even know the base reference points in our 'structures' so we can stand back sufficiently to evaluate?

Jim, you are posting scriptures assuming I'm arguing against them. I am not. What I am arguing against is how those scriptures are to understood/ interpreted. It is assumed God requires blood to forgive yet the reality of Jesus shows us otherwise. This is what needs exploring .....if one has...

Scripture is to be interpreted through the reality of Jesus, yitoz. This is where and how I draw my conclusions

We definitely aren't saved by Law, nevertheless I wouldn't jump off the Empire State Building in the belief that the law of gravity no longer applies, neither would I murder anybody expecting that I could get away with it using the argument that the law no longer applies. The whole premise...

Thank you for that snippet of honesty......and you can be assured that popular theology will continue to take one down the path of confusion while it touts liberation.

Your mocking tones speak more of you than you would guess and your 'rightness' testifies in favour of others.

I have explained here before how Paul defines 'God's wrath' but it appears to have fallen on deaf ears. Consequence is confused with causation; do you understand what that means? ....and if you do, perhaps you could lay it out? I would appreciate it if you would address the question and not...

In that case, I think it's definitely time for honest self reflection.

Why do you deliberately misunderstand that 'God so loved the World that he gave...'; that 'while we were yet sinners Christ died for the ungodly'; that consequence does not equal causation and that quoting scripture is not the same as a heart which reaches out in compassion?

Mr E, it appears to me from the underside of the World that large slabs of folks within the borders of your Northern patch are so self focused, the plight of others is seen as a small thing. It saddens me that those most privileged should dismiss those struggling, even speak poorly of them.

surely you don't mean, dance while the Titanic sinks?

You consistently miss the point Behold, and it appears to me you deliberately misunderstand.

@Plavious I am so sorry brother that others speak poorly of you. Be encouraged that some of us here hear your plight even in the face of misrepresentation.

You play on both squares/ colours of the checker board, moving to which ever one suits your narrative, unaware of your inconsistencies

isn't that what you say God will do?

but God does hold unforgiveness?

as you wish

...and what does it look like? Does it look like we can burn the wicked just like you say God does, if they don't jump through our hoops?

te Tell me where you think I'm going so I have a reference point

The Israelites were bitten by serpents in the desert. It appears you are in the desert and are being bitten by serpents? The instruction they received was, look at the serpent on the pole Moses had erected .....and all who looked were healed. Some sort of logic that was, it didn't add up to how...